Wishlist and General Juve winter mercato talk (2013-14) (27 Viewers)

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Hydde

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(no matter how well you would wash your hands after having fun with your asshole, there would still be a small amount of $#@! on 'em).
This logic applies to ladies holes too!.

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if chicarito leaves then vucinic is a possible transfer but he is 30 years old and i think probably wants a younger option.
Vucinic is mile ahead of Chicharito right now. The ugy is plain useless.
 

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zizinho

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in january we wont get any new players except for nainggolan maybe (50:50 chance) and reach an agreement with menez for the summer (like llorente last year). in the summer there is not much to expect too. we will probably go for free players, youngsters, and look for a vucinic "top-player" replacement (lavezzi, jovetic, nani). i know marotta, paratici and conte will do the right thing and strenghten our team with minimum cash. look for us to be cl top contenders starting from 2015/16
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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I'm desperate for Wingers so Nani and Menez both coming without really dipping into our budget is ideal

No, they're not World Class but they're not useless either. So they'll be more than enough for a couple of seasons. We then make the switch to 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 and slowly build the team again with ideal players.
Benching tevez and confining Pogba and Vidal to inferior more limited roles for average wingers is a horrible idea

Tevez and Vidal are worldclass. Pogba is getting there.

Unless you get high class wingers that make the diffrence, its a horrible idea

We cannot afford such wingers. Just live in the now, and see how gabbiadini and berardi develop
 

Hist

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Jan 18, 2009
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Benching tevez and confining Pogba and Vidal to inferior more limited roles for average wingers is a horrible idea

Tevez and Vidal are worldclass. Pogba is getting there.

Unless you get high class wingers that make the diffrence, its a horrible idea

We cannot afford such wingers. Just live in the now, and see how gabbiadini and berardi develop
YOU IGNORED MY POST!
 

LiquidPLP

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Jun 9, 2012
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Benching tevez and confining Pogba and Vidal to inferior more limited roles for average wingers is a horrible idea

Tevez and Vidal are worldclass. Pogba is getting there.

Unless you get high class wingers that make the diffrence, its a horrible idea

We cannot afford such wingers. Just live in the now, and see how gabbiadini and berardi develop
Tevez will of course play there's no doubt about it. You keep repeating about inferior players but you need to realize that 352 is inferior to those formations when it comes to balance and organisation of the game. You could see how well we played vs Madrid despite having no attacking wingers and then compare it to Copenhagen and Gala games. Clearly inferior.

In 352 we have very good players but they're hardly a team in CL let's face it. The team seems to struggle when pressed can't string a few constructive passes - it's not the way to go. One win at home vs shitty Copenhagen with two penalties is not impressive at all (considering our group). We need to go from organisation to players because the opposite doesn't work at all in CL.
 

Zacheryah

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YOU IGNORED MY POST!
I'm sorry mate, i injured my lower back yesterday so couldnt spend that long before pc, and since today preparing january finals
Basically shitting between studying and lying flat on my back.

You haven't addressed our lack of depth for that formation. It may suit our starting eleven but we'd need Llorente and tevez fully fit and in form all the time.

One of the upsides of the 3-5-2 is that the central midfield do most of the work and the scoring and you could have any two mediocre idiots playing upfront and get away with it most of the time. We won 2 scudetti without an attack because of our strong central midfield and the huge role that the 3-5-2 imposes on them. The 3-5-2 would completely fall, however, if we had 2 attack minded CMs injured (Pirlo and Vidal/pogba). We are damn lucky that it was marchisio that got injured and not Pogba or Vidal.

I'll sum up again the points I have against the red formation. Address each individually:
1) Its narrowness will make life more difficult for our CMs to contribute offensively as opposition defenses will be less stretched.
2) Consequently, its success is heavily reliant on Tevez and Llorente (I don't trust their consistency that much yet) even if our CMs perform their duties adequately.
3) It shares the same weakness of defending against double wingers that the 3-5-2 has. I see only the 4-3-3 as a pacifier to that problem.
4) If any of our strikers gets injured, we don't have anything close to adequate replacements and we'll be screwed because our attacking phase depends on the strikers doing their jobs not just the CMs. So depth.
1) Not neccecarely. First of all we have llorente and 2 players, regista and pogba, who can feed him very good balls to the head. this creates vertical space. You have 3 players running in that space. Offcourse that only last for so long, since once the opposing team repositions, it will try to narrow us down.
This indeed creates a width issue, wich we can easely solve in 2 ways

a) Have a very fast counter, just use the offball and have one of the players (tevez pogba, vidal) go for an action/shot. italian football at it finest, go for the chance then fall back in formation.
b) We have Pogba and Marchisio. Marchisio's incredible tactical flexibility and Pogba's talent to usurp him have shown before. Both should drift out wider, and go for early crosses.
Marchisio did this against madrid, whilst pogba has played wider on a few occasions, and nearly allways delivers with a lobbed assist. It not

2) I have full faith in our cm's. The real issue is that this formation reigns and falls with llorente. Without Llorente, the vertical space is gone. Yes, this formation cannot be played without fernando.

3) Just like against real madrid, we showed we can do that pretty good. as their wings were mostly shut down.

4) i agree offcourse. But thats the same with the 433 you mention. Imagine you sell pogba and buy 2 world class wingers (somehow). One gets injured and then who will play ?
This is the real situation we are in. We got depth for the 352. But for nothing else. I see the 41311RED© as an ideal formation to play when players are availbale, and the 352 as the main backup, beeing used when a critical player is abscent.

DO note, we can field that formation allready if everyone is fit. So any sale we do, could go to benefit it


Winger formations and 4312 however, require at least one hightly skilled cam or 2 wingers to even work. a 4231 needs all three of them

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Like i've said before, Tevez plays in my 4-2-3-1 behind the striker. He's still not World class though and a hat trick of tap ins against Sassuolo will not change my mind.
Its vital for a 4231 to field a midfielder, not a striker

the only 4231 i can recall that had a striker in the midfield was man utd with rooney there, and they didnt win anything during that period
 

Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
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Inter fan it seems...and wanting Diamanti confirms it.



Yes, washing your asshole with your hands is the way to go, the shower feels so good too. And of course you will wash the hole with your right hand (wash it from deep inside) so that after you're done you can go and handshake as many people as you can and laugh your ass off (no matter how well you would wash your hands after having fun with your asshole, there would still be a small amount of shit on 'em).
No matter how hard you wash and scrub your ass it would definitely still smell like shit.
 

BottomLine

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Dec 23, 2012
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if we do get menez, than of course we should aim for 4-3-3. pepe can be a backup for menez in the right wing, so we need to get another 2 wingers for the left- one of them can be berardi or zaza or something (for backup).
and as for the CF- whoever is in the better form should play. like real madrid has done with benzema and higuain, like bayern has done with gomez and mandzukic, like city has done with balotelli, dzeko, aguero and tevez, like barca does with sanchez and pedro. all of them are world class players who got benched from time to time, if another was in a better form. that's what we should do with tevez and llorente (and that will allow us to sell all the rest of our strikers, maybe except one for backup).
 
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Benching tevez and confining Pogba and Vidal to inferior more limited roles for average wingers is a horrible idea

Tevez and Vidal are worldclass. Pogba is getting there.

Unless you get high class wingers that make the diffrence, its a horrible idea

We cannot afford such wingers. Just live in the now, and see how gabbiadini and berardi develop
You cant wait for players to develop to change the tactics and formations. If juve got both nani and menez or one or the other it doesnt mean we will change to a different formation permanently which seems to be your biggest fear. It will simply allow us to have a plan b. Also Red made a good example the other day how Man City play a 4-2-3-1 and their so called dm push very forward. While man c's problem is their defe se it is worth a sshot.

Another reason we need wingers is just look at the width of our games and look at the crossses. You cant play with a targetman and dont even cross it accurately
 
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