Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2014-15) (35 Viewers)

[Zacheryah]

People talk about Milan going with Thiago silva and nesta against barcelona

But, did we forgot the season afterwards, the 2012/2013 season ?

This milan :

Abbiati, muntari, mexes, boateng, pazzini, zapata, montolivo, abate, constant, ambrosini ,el sharaawi

Won 2-0 to barcelona at home

Please, tell me wich one of those players would even sit on our bench

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And that victory, was entirely Allegri tactically nullifying barcelona, with strict rotation on what players should press at what time, the pressing, the covering of space behind the pressing players, everything.

If they werent individually so incredible shit that they would run around like idiots, and that tall black kid would have scored his 1-1 with the goalkeeper when it was still 0-0, then this piece of shit milan would have eliminated barcelona

And it was entirely Allegri.

 

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[Pirlo's Beard]

Yeah Allegri gets his defensive tactics spot on, but we won't be parking the bus in Serie A with everybody within 25 yards of our own goal for most of the game. The point is whilst Allegri deserves credit for setting his defences up, we won't be so defence heavy in 99% of our games under him.

And yes, that Niang kid is shit and should've scored that.

 

[Red]

Yeah Allegri gets his defensive tactics spot on, but we won't be parking the bus in Serie A with everybody within 25 yards of our own goal for most of the game. The point is whilst Allegri deserves credit for setting his defences up, we won't be so defence heavy in 99% of our games under him.

No, but setting the defence up really well does allow you some interesting tactical options.

When Milan were playing weak teams at home in Serie A, Allegri would often have a team on the field with three players who would offer virtually nothing defensively and would almost always have two players doing no defending. I'm not entirely sure if that's something he likes or if it was just him making the best of what Milan gave him.

Anyway, because Milan defended with only the back four and three midfielders, even the weak opponents were able to play a bit and able to have possession and work the ball into Milan's half of the pitch. This is a great thing for a big team because it means that you can get counter-attacking situations against teams that you would expect to be 'parking the bus' and just focusing on denying you space.

However, to defend with just seven, you do have to have a lot of discipline and organisation from the midfield three and you have to trust your defence.

The idea of defending with just seven or eight and allowing the opponents the ball in order to raise the possibility of counter-attacks was something that Conte never did and everything he said suggested that such tactics went completely against how he believed football should be played (given his 100% home record last season it's hard to argue that he wasn't doing the right thing).

I rather like trying to draw the opposition out of position to see if you can bring them into a more open game instead of playing the sort of home game Juve are used to, with the opposition just sitting deep and looking to defend for the entire game.

So I'll be interested to see if Allegri looks to play in a similar fashion when he has a lot of hard-working players, rather than the bunch of lazy fancy players he had at Milan.

 

[Zacheryah]

No, but setting the defence up really well does allow you some interesting tactical options.

When Milan were playing weak teams at home in Serie A, Allegri would often have a team on the field with three players who would offer virtually nothing defensively and would almost always have two players doing no defending. I'm not entirely sure if that's something he likes or if it was just him making the best of what Milan gave him.

Anyway, because Milan defended with only the back four and three midfielders, even the weak opponents were able to play a bit and able to have possession and work the ball into Milan's half of the pitch. This is a great thing for a big team because it means that you can get counter-attacking situations against teams that you would expect to be 'parking the bus' and just focusing on denying you space.

However, to defend with just seven, you do have to have a lot of discipline and organisation from the midfield three and you have to trust your defence.

The idea of defending with just seven or eight and allowing the opponents the ball in order to raise the possibility of counter-attacks was something that Conte never did and everything he said suggested that such tactics went completely against how he believed football should be played (given his 100% home record last season it's hard to argue that he wasn't doing the right thing).

I rather like trying to draw the opposition out of position to see if you can bring them into a more open game instead of playing the sort of home game Juve are used to, with the opposition just sitting deep and looking to defend for the entire game.

So I'll be interested to see if Allegri looks to play in a similar fashion when he has a lot of hard-working players, rather than the bunch of lazy fancy players he had at Milan.

Red, dont you think that a coach with such clear tactical idea's, has an advantage in europe where keeping a clean sheet is extremely important ?

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

In all fairness we really didn't have the personnel to counter attack with much success last season, we still lack in that department. But yeah our continual grinding of results definitely took its toll on our players, even if the results were amazing (albeit in a poor Serie A)

I personally wouldn't mind building a team that is built to counter with pace and efficiency but before we go down that route we'd need to invest in a pair of Wingers suited to doing so. It's pretty painful to see us 'counter' in recent times AKA pass it sideways to Pirlo, and look for Matri/Llorente/Vucinic etc. Other teams had so much time to simply get back in shape when we were attempting to counter attack, as we had absolutely no pace carrying us forward.

 

[Zacheryah]

Considering that Morata isnt that slow, and Coman/Berardi/Pereyra are fast to very fast, its definatly a good idea
I'd like to see us play 4231 in away games in the cl, with pepe and Coman on the wings, tevez cam and morata deep

Sit back abit and launch Coman on the counter. Gonna be fun

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

Been calling for 4-2-3-1 with Tevez off of the striker for a while now. Not as a starting formation yet but as an alternative at least

You're right that now with Coman hopefully maintaining his pre-season form and Pepe back we at least have the OPTION to set up like that

Whereas last season we must've been the least capable counter attacking team out there. With probably our only counter attacking goal coming from a deflected Marchisio shot (Can't remember who it was against, Torino perhaps?)

 

[Zacheryah]

We lacked the pace to counter, and out wingbacks would leave a huge gap if they would do it and lose possession

With 4231, this problem is gone

 

[Red]

Red, dont you think that a coach with such clear tactical idea's, has an advantage in europe where keeping a clean sheet is extremely important ?

Yeah, but I didn't feel that Conte lacked clear ideas.

If you go through the goals that Juve conceded in Europe, very few were down to tactical issues.

In all fairness we really didn't have the personnel to counter attack with much success last season, we still lack in that department. But yeah our continual grinding of results definitely took its toll on our players, even if the results were amazing (albeit in a poor Serie A)

I personally wouldn't mind building a team that is built to counter with pace and efficiency but before we go down that route we'd need to invest in a pair of Wingers suited to doing so. It's pretty painful to see us 'counter' in recent times AKA pass it sideways to Pirlo, and look for Matri/Llorente/Vucinic etc. Other teams had so much time to simply get back in shape when we were attempting to counter attack, as we had absolutely no pace carrying us forward.

Milan didn't play with wingers under Allegri.

They were counter-attacking with guys like Ibrahimovic, Robinho and Boateng.

Counter-attacking isn't necessarily about scoring on the very first thrust forward before the opponents have got men back.

It's just trying to attacking when there is some space and the opposition isn't properly organised.

Juve don't have the players to be really good at counter-attacking, but they still have enough pace in the squad to be pretty effective because a huge part of counter-attacking is making the right decisions - both in terms of movement and where and when to play passes - and Juve have players that I would back to make the correct decision a lot of the time.

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We lacked the pace to counter, and out wingbacks would leave a huge gap if they would do it and lose possession

With 4231, this problem is gone

Doesn't have to be 4-2-3-1.

It's much easier to create a balanced, counter-attacking team with a back four than with a back three/five.

I do like 4-2-3-1 for counter-attacking, though.

Aberdeen do it well.

Leave the centre-forward and the trequartista high up and don't give one of the wingers too much responsibility. That means the only risk you are taking to have a major counter-attacking threat is leaving one of the full-backs a bit exposed. But we do have three fast attacking midfielders, which makes things a lot easier.

 

[Robee]

May I remember you guys an out and out 4-2-3-1 with 2 fullbacks and Tevez behind the striker will never ever work with Pirlo. And Allegri would break his own career if he benched the maestro again.

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

This wouldn't be a primary formation imo, just an alternative. And Hopefully we rest Pirlo more often now. He was overplayed in the last 2 years tbh.

 

[Vlad]

As long as we get away from 3-5-2, where most of our creativity comes from Pirlo, or Bonucci who frequently blasts long balls when Pirlo is shut down, wingbacks that are way to predictable when moving forward, it's all good; 4-3-1-2, 4-3-3, 4-3-2-1, etc... we have the personnel to pull this off. Hopefully Allegri realizes limitations during this preseason period to avoid repeating Conte's mistakes. Positives were his willingness to try other formations till now, something Conte was very reluctant to do.

 

[Robee]

This wouldn't be a primary formation imo, just an alternative. And Hopefully we rest Pirlo more often now. He was overplayed in the last 2 years tbh.

He was definitely overplayed, just like the rest of the squad. Anyway even our secondary formation should work with him in it. If not, we're limiting our own options and creativity.

 

[GrecoJuve]

Sorrentino is linked with a move to our team! Storari's replacement.

 

[FuriaCeca]

It's not bad to have an alternative formation without Pirlo. What if he gets injured or unavailabe ?
4-2-3-1, with our current players, is a little bit of a stretch though, unless we sign a winger.

I heard some talks about the possibility of bringing back Gabbiadini as a low cost solution.
In all honesty, I would much rather have him than Chicharito, even though he will not be the best solution.

 

[Ronn]

Hernandez agent on Vidal swap
By Football Italia staff

Javier Hernandez’s agent said “there will be news soon” on the Manchester United man’s Juventus move for Arturo Vidal.

There have been reports over the last couple of days that Juve requested €48m plus two players – one of them Hernandez – to give Vidal to Manchester United.

“For now I cannot comment on the situation,” agent Eduardo Hernandez told reporters in South America.

“I have no news at the moment on an exchange, I haven’t spoken to anyone in England, but there will be news soon.”

basically saying I don't know shit and neither does anybody, but somehow some shit will happen in the some future

 

[DanTheMan5]

Out of the attacking options linked to us (Lavezzi, Pastore, Chica, Jov) Chicarito is the last one I want...

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

Jesus what a stupid person to take

We're basically taking less money for Vidal if this happens just to get our THIRD choice #9

If he's lucky he'll beat Morata to being our 2nd choice #9 and 3rd choice striker overall.


Might as well take Cleverly, Carrick and Smalling. Make sure we get 10M on top of that.

 

[Hydde]

Chiellini has some seriously bad lapses in judgement, Bonucci and Ogbonna... the less said the better.

TBH, i dont trust anyone in our defence anymore bar Barzagli, and he is a big question mark right now in terms of fitness levels.
Chiellini, Bonucci, Ogbonna and to some extent Caceres are a brainfart galore.
Chiellini is the more acceptableof the 3 beause he is an actual proper defender but with the IQ of a chicken. Bonucci is simply retarded and i dont wanna see any fool defending this disgrace. Ogbonna never convinced Conte, and thank god we got rid of Peluso and Isla who were on the Bonucci level too.

If you ask me, ourbackline is a ticking bomb.

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Hernandez agent on Vidal swap
By Football Italia staff

Javier Hernandez’s agent said “there will be news soon” on the Manchester United man’s Juventus move for Arturo Vidal.

There have been reports over the last couple of days that Juve requested €48m plus two players – one of them Hernandez – to give Vidal to Manchester United.

“For now I cannot comment on the situation,” agent Eduardo Hernandez told reporters in South America.

“I have no news at the moment on an exchange, I haven’t spoken to anyone in England, but there will be news soon.”

basically saying I don't know $#@! and neither does anybody, but somehow some $#@! will happen in the some future

Exactly, he has not talked with anyone, but he is stirring shid from his ass.

And Vidal for Chicharito? LOL..... if this gets real, i would agree with the Marotta naysaers that he will need to be fired. This would be unforgivable.

 

[Robee]

It's not bad to have an alternative formation without Pirlo. What if he gets injured or unavailabe ?
4-2-3-1, with our current players, is a little bit of a stretch though, unless we sign a winger.

I heard some talks about the possibility of bringing back Gabbiadini as a low cost solution.
In all honesty, I would much rather have him than Chicharito, even though he will not be the best solution.

Marchisio already showed that Pirlo's absence is nothing to fear, but freezing him out is something else imo.

I'd take Gabbiadini in a heartbeat, but Samp seem unwilling to deal if rumours are to be believed...