Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2014-15) (61 Viewers)

[Zacheryah]

I think you're underestimating Vidal

I'm not, Vidal is a good AM. But you need to look at how players synergises togheter.

Vidal and Tevez would get in each others way if vidal plays am

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Out of Vidal, Marchisio and Pogba I think Vidal is a best classical 10 but playing as an unorthodox TQ.

But he would get in Tevez way, who is the main creative outlet, wich kinda kills our creativity

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Vidal is not ideal that high up as permanent role for all the reasons that everyone said (very bad news for our midfield, he does all the damage offensively already while winning the midfield for us as box to box mid with offensive freedom) , but I prefer to him over Pogba there because his offensive movement is a lot better, and over Marchisio because he is much better goal threat.

But his added goal threat, is less then the loss of goal threat of the rest of the team, because Tevez isnt working properly like that

 

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[ZoSo]

I'm not, Vidal is a good AM. But you need to look at how players synergises togheter.

Vidal and Tevez would get in each others way if vidal plays am

That's only if it's going to be a rigid 4-3-1-2. If it can be more flexible it can change around to 4-3-2-1 with Tevez-Vidal as the 2 or even Vidal switch role with Tevez occasionally since his finishing is good enough to do so for a few moments. Not only that but Tevez is versatile enough to play as CF off Vidal if need be.

 

[Osman]

you guys totally missed the name above thats a cheap alternative to pastore etc.....

I saw it but ignored it because he is just good at running with the ball, productive in that way only. Otherwise his intelligence, decision making and passing is not worth the effort. Theres a good reason he is cheap.

you guys totally missed the name above thats a cheap alternative to pastore etc.....

 

[Gerd]

I don't know much about Isco but the idea of a diamond shapaed midfield with Pirlo and another static midfielder make us extremely slow and immobile. So tell me, is Isco mobile? Is he fast?

For a diamond shaped formation we also need skilled fullbacks in attack , evra could be one , but i also think that we need someone on the right . Lischs crossing and dribbling aren't that great

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I saw it but ignored it because he is just good at running with the ball, productive in that way only. Otherwise his intelligence, decision making and passing is not worth the effort. Theres a good reason he is cheap.

yes I know but his name is floating so i put it here for you cats to discuss, I would rather lavezzi or jojo but we all know those will be harder, Abel is only 7 mill

 

[Mister]

Conte is a random person on the internet ?
See, you complain when i do the smiley, but your comment does exactly the same mister


Let me explain you a few things, so you understand it better.

U-21 teams arent really a reference in several ways. Its basically about raw talent, more then positions and roles. You'll find plenty of top players who have played different roles and positions in the youth sector. Its because the talent is much more important then roles at that point.

You are right about Vidal as an AM at Leverkusen. Yeah, AM. Not trequartista, wich is an entirely different thing. Heynckens used Vidal the same way Conte uses him, but much further on the field. He has the same characteristics and tasks as a box to box player, but he's put far more advanced. This was because of his scoring ability at the edge of the box, and the huge pressure Leverkusen could put on the opponent's defence.

We were talking about trequartista's here. They arent used for pressing and delivering shots from the edge of the box (primarly). The trequartista roams free between attack and midfield, doesnt press at all and is seeking the space there. He is the playmaker that wants to give the trough balls, or holds on to the ball close to the enemy's penalty box.

If you make Vidal or Pogba a trequartista, they are wasted. They may not press, they shouldnt seek for actions. No, they have to roam around and distribute passes to build up the play. Like Pirlo does, but in a far more advanced role. And actively seek trough balls instead of actions themselves. Unless on the counter or when they can have a free shot if they get past their marker.



Think. What is the key difference between Isco, Totti, Pastore... and Vidal, Pirlo ?

Midfield of Vidal - Pirlo - Asa with Pogba as a playmaker how would that work out as an option ? . Pogba can float in the space , use his tricks to get away from players can shoot from outside the box etc.

The pressing and ball winning can be done by vidal and Asa . Would this affect the team negatively in some way ?

 

[Xperd]

yes I know but his name is floating so i put it here for you cats to discuss, I would rather lavezzi or jojo but we all know those will be harder, Abel is only 7 mill

He's a terrible player.Stop making these dumb suggestions seriously.He's not good enough for Milan but somehow he's supposed to be good enough for us

 

[Osman]

I think and hope they're just adding his name for the heck of it. And we don't need a cheap option for the most key position for the supposed tactical change, we should have enough funds to get good enough player, or costly enough, whether it is likes of Candreva or better options.

 

[Mr Chocolate]

Tevez as Treq

Morata - Llorente front line,
both forwards are skilled and can hold up the ball, let fullbacks/midfield bomb down pitch.

 

[Dostoevsky]

I don't mind the idea of 4-3-1-2. In fact, a couple of months when everyone talked about 4-3-3 I said that 4-3-1-2 actually makes more sense for us at the point.

Although I'd love us to sign some top AMC and leave our midfielders where they are.

 

[Zacheryah]

Lets put it like this

You have "active" and "supporting" players

An active player, plays his prime role. Wich can be making actions, or pressing and tackeling,etc

A supportive player, can play his prime role, but adapts it to the players around him, and makes sure they can play their prime role first.



When two players are operating in each others space, its ideal that both arent "active" players cause it will cause less quality. Example is Neymar and Messi at barcelona.


Conte, uses Marchisio each time we play a more advanced midfielder. Because he has the quality, but also because Tevez must be the active player, and Marchiso will be supportive and make sure he's not hindering him.



This very explenation is why Manchester city has failed for years in europe

 

[AndreaCristiano]

He's a terrible player.Stop making these dumb suggestions seriously.He's not good enough for Milan but somehow he's supposed to be good enough for us

whoa, get a grip Jack i didnt make the suggestion, can you read what I wrote. His name is out there as an option if the others fail so I put it in the thread. Calm yourself ass

 

[Zacheryah]

Midfield of Vidal - Pirlo - Asa with Pogba as a playmaker how would that work out as an option ? . Pogba can float in the space , use his tricks to get away from players can shoot from outside the box etc.

The pressing and ball winning can be done by vidal and Asa . Would this affect the team negatively in some way ?

Pogba needs space for his tricks to work, and has average short passing. He is the worst option

 

[Osman]

Tevez as Treq

Morata - Llorente front line,
both forwards are skilled and can hold up the ball, let fullbacks/midfield bomb down pitch.

A waste because Tevez is better as forward, but more importantly you would be starting 3 out of 4 attacking options, better to rotate then and get an actual AM instead.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I think and hope they're just adding his name for the heck of it. And we don't need a cheap option for the most key position for the supposed tactical change, we should have enough funds to get good enough player, or costly enough, whether it is likes of Candreva or better options.

I agree! As much as I like lavezzi I think jojo is the most likely to be done

 

[Xperd]

whoa, get a grip Jack i didnt make the suggestion, can you read what I wrote. His name is out there as an option if the others fail so I put it in the thread. Calm yourself ass

Was it your cousin again ? You dont even post a source and somehow we are expected to read your rumors as if it comes straight out of the papers

 

[Badass J Elkann]

TMW and ilsussidiario are linking us with Isco.

According to TMW we are looking for a new "no. 10" that can play behind Tevez and llorente.

"This is the Spanish Isco, little used by Carlo Ancelotti at Real Madrid and is intended to increasingly cramped spaces given the imminent arrival of James Rodriguez. Former Malaga, by age and talent, it might be the perfect player for the new Juventus Allegri knows that Isco having already "tested" in the Champions League two seasons ago."


Also according to ilsussidiario we want Abbate instead of stephan, while milan will ask for Giovinco that can play in the 4-3-3 of inzaghi.

the entire management should commit mass suicide if this is true

 

[Trequartista]

Isco

 

[Osman]

Jojo would be odd for that role too for me (more fantasista/creative forward then AM) . But I would be up for signing him as rotation option though.

 

[piotrr]

If we'll land Isco i will even accept Abatr here.