Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2014-15) (58 Viewers)
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Murchisio is only suitable for that role as a fill in and used for his specific skillset, not to take creative initiative, but to move into channels and play off others well, and generally be off the ball offensive threat. He is quite smooth technically smart in his movement (if you have someone who is looking to pass, Vuci did a lot, someone like Tevez never does for example) to be of some use there. That's basically it.
Vidal is of course better there, though not particularly polished technically to be a mainstay there, and bit of a waste since we would lose the midfield more with him higher up, would just be pain for oppositions defence though in their build up phase.
Imo Pogba would be lost there, only asset fixed that high up would be shooting ability just outside the box.
Vidal is of course better there, though not particularly polished technically to be a mainstay there, and bit of a waste since we would lose the midfield more with him higher up, would just be pain for oppositions defence though in their build up phase.
Imo Pogba would be lost there, only asset fixed that high up would be shooting ability just outside the box.
Pogba would be gravely lost, as he cant shoot, and doesnt have good short passing compared to what a trequartista should have
Vidal would work, as an AM, but would obstruct the play for Tevez
Marchisio ticks most boxes, as he's good at collecting and laying off passes, moving into space, close controll and technique. He doesnt offer the offensive danger a trequartista should, but he doesnt obstruct the play. So he's a good stopgab solution untill we get an actual trequartista
Vidal would work, as an AM, but would obstruct the play for Tevez
Marchisio ticks most boxes, as he's good at collecting and laying off passes, moving into space, close controll and technique. He doesnt offer the offensive danger a trequartista should, but he doesnt obstruct the play. So he's a good stopgab solution untill we get an actual trequartista
But playing vidal as AM means you waste his best aspect that is box to box running and tackling skills , pirlo cannot defend at all he will loose his protection.
Pogba's workrate is low compared to others , he has the ability to play there but he lacks vision .
I agree with you a natural AM is best , why do you think vidal would be better as AM and not pogba ?
Pogba's workrate is low compared to others , he has the ability to play there but he lacks vision .
I agree with you a natural AM is best , why do you think vidal would be better as AM and not pogba ?
Conte is a random person on the internet ?
See, you complain when i do the smiley, but your comment does exactly the same mister
Let me explain you a few things, so you understand it better.
U-21 teams arent really a reference in several ways. Its basically about raw talent, more then positions and roles. You'll find plenty of top players who have played different roles and positions in the youth sector. Its because the talent is much more important then roles at that point.
You are right about Vidal as an AM at Leverkusen. Yeah, AM. Not trequartista, wich is an entirely different thing. Heynckens used Vidal the same way Conte uses him, but much further on the field. He has the same characteristics and tasks as a box to box player, but he's put far more advanced. This was because of his scoring ability at the edge of the box, and the huge pressure Leverkusen could put on the opponent's defence.
We were talking about trequartista's here. They arent used for pressing and delivering shots from the edge of the box (primarly). The trequartista roams free between attack and midfield, doesnt press at all and is seeking the space there. He is the playmaker that wants to give the trough balls, or holds on to the ball close to the enemy's penalty box.
If you make Vidal or Pogba a trequartista, they are wasted. They may not press, they shouldnt seek for actions. No, they have to roam around and distribute passes to build up the play. Like Pirlo does, but in a far more advanced role. And actively seek trough balls instead of actions themselves. Unless on the counter or when they can have a free shot if they get past their marker.
Think. What is the key difference between Isco, Totti, Pastore... and Vidal, Pirlo ?
See, you complain when i do the smiley, but your comment does exactly the same mister
Let me explain you a few things, so you understand it better.
U-21 teams arent really a reference in several ways. Its basically about raw talent, more then positions and roles. You'll find plenty of top players who have played different roles and positions in the youth sector. Its because the talent is much more important then roles at that point.
You are right about Vidal as an AM at Leverkusen. Yeah, AM. Not trequartista, wich is an entirely different thing. Heynckens used Vidal the same way Conte uses him, but much further on the field. He has the same characteristics and tasks as a box to box player, but he's put far more advanced. This was because of his scoring ability at the edge of the box, and the huge pressure Leverkusen could put on the opponent's defence.
We were talking about trequartista's here. They arent used for pressing and delivering shots from the edge of the box (primarly). The trequartista roams free between attack and midfield, doesnt press at all and is seeking the space there. He is the playmaker that wants to give the trough balls, or holds on to the ball close to the enemy's penalty box.
If you make Vidal or Pogba a trequartista, they are wasted. They may not press, they shouldnt seek for actions. No, they have to roam around and distribute passes to build up the play. Like Pirlo does, but in a far more advanced role. And actively seek trough balls instead of actions themselves. Unless on the counter or when they can have a free shot if they get past their marker.
Think. What is the key difference between Isco, Totti, Pastore... and Vidal, Pirlo ?
That's why it's better to just say AM when it's not truly giving them creative burden and freedom of movement, there's several approaches to attacking midfield role centrally, but specific and narrow approach to the trequartista duties.
Pogba's workrate is fine when instruced.
Vidal's short passing is much better then pogba. He's close controll and holding onto the ball aswel. pogba is excellent at it when he has an angle to run to, wich is why he's good btb and not treq
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Wich would obstruct tevez and kill our creativity
Vidal's short passing is much better then pogba. He's close controll and holding onto the ball aswel. pogba is excellent at it when he has an angle to run to, wich is why he's good btb and not treq
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Wich would obstruct tevez and kill our creativity
Vidal is not ideal that high up as permanent role for all the reasons that everyone said (very bad news for our midfield, he does all the damage offensively already while winning the midfield for us as box to box mid with offensive freedom) , but I prefer to him over Pogba there because his offensive movement is a lot better, and over Marchisio because he is much better goal threat.
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