Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2014-15) (19 Viewers)

[Bjerknes]

I can find my own preference in this actually. But when that italian national athem (such an amazing athem) got shouted out loud by the azzurri before the game against germany, it send shivers down my spine. Such passion

But that's just because you like certain melodies of a song, it has nothing to do with the nation apart from the fact it's their national anthem. If it was the national anthem of Bulgaria, would you still feel the same way about it?

I would venture to say: no.

I think I'll become hardcore Ghana fan for the next few months. Can't wait to see them wiping the floor with Amuricans.

I would probably stick with Croatia, although Ghana is good as well.

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Exactly this.

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[Zacheryah]

But that's just because you like certain melodies of a song, it has nothing to do with the nation apart from the fact it's their national anthem. If it was the national anthem of Bulgaria, would you still feel the same way about it?

I would venture to say: no.



I would probably stick with Croatia, although Ghana is good as well.

The anthem, is just one of so many factors, cause there are indead, several amazing ones.


Look at it like this. Imagine you live in the northeren part of usa, and they make a country with your state and a canadian state. Apart from amazing healthcare there isnt really much special about, and there is absolutely no national feeling. Why would you be forced to be a big fan of your own joke of a country ?
Why is it so wrong to simply fall in love with a diffrent country and support it from young age till death ?

The truth is, that you cant really have a say in this matter. You are a proud american. Good for you. But you know jack shit about country's with total lack of national feeling.

 

[Hist]

That would be funny if true, but it isn't.




But national teams aren't club sides. You are essentially claiming that there shouldn't be international competitions whatsoever considering the whole event depends on nationality. If you believe nationalism isn't rational, then don't bother watching international football.

I am not saying that there shouldnt be international competitions I only said I treat the national teams like clubs that play less often. International tournaments are an opportunity to see the players I like in a different setting. Thats one point I was making.

Another point I was making is that supporting a football club is irrational. Juventus are the team that I enjoyed watching the most growing up (Serie A was available on cable TV here) and it just became sort of a habit over time even though Buffon is the only player out of the 11 I used to watch thats still here. The coaches, the management, the jersey, the staff and the players changed and I am sure its the same for everyone here but I am still attached to Juve the brandname or whatever.
Another argument for the irrationality of being a fan of a team is the fact that its just a bunch of guys kicking a ball around for an hour and a half and we obsess about it like bieber fans. You've been on this forum for 10 years now ffs. Thats the second point (that the whole thing is irrational). I merely made this point as a premise for asking you not to bring reason and logic to the discussion about whether people should be fans of national teams of foreign countries.

The third point that I hinted at but didnt make an argument for (out of laziness) is the irrationality of nationalism.

 

[Vlad]

The anthem, is just one of so many factors, cause there are indead, several amazing ones.


Look at it like this. Imagine you live in the northeren part of usa, and they make a country with your state and a canadian state. Apart from amazing healthcare there isnt really much special about, and there is absolutely no national feeling. Why would you be forced to be a big fan of your own joke of a country ?
Why is it so wrong to simply fall in love with a diffrent country and support it from young age till death ?

The truth is, that you cant really have a say in this matter. You are a proud american. Good for you. But you know jack shit about country's with total lack of national feeling.

Deutschland über alles is magnificent as well, but as you've said several factors are involved. Juventus players most importantly, I mean how could you not cheer for Buffon, Chiello, Bonucci, Marchisio, Pirlo... Juve>>>any NT for that matter.

 

[Zacheryah]

Deutschland über alles is magnificent as well, but as you've said several factors are involved. Juventus players most importantly, I mean how could you not cheer for Buffon, Chiello, Bonucci, Marchisio, Pirlo... Juve>>>any NT for that matter.

Yes, and juventus has allways been and will allways be,providing the biggest chunk of the national team

 

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[Bjerknes]

The anthem, is just one of so many factors, cause there are indead, several amazing ones.


Look at it like this. Imagine you live in the northeren part of usa, and they make a country with your state and a canadian state. Apart from amazing healthcare there isnt really much special about, and there is absolutely no national feeling. Why would you be forced to be a big fan of your own joke of a country ?
Why is it so wrong to simply fall in love with a diffrent country and support it from young age till death ?

The truth is, that you cant really have a say in this matter. You are a proud american. Good for you. But you know jack $#@! about country's with total lack of national feeling.

Because it doesn't make any sense to support a national identity you have zero relationship to. Period. It has no logical basis considering you are not required to support a team in the World Cup or any other competition. Therefore, the only reason why people support foreign nations is to experience something they cannot in their current life. People don't become attached to the USA, or Malaysia, or Belgium, or Poland, or Bolivia, or New Zealand, et cetera. They instead look for the best footballing nations in order to fill a void in their lives. Why it exists, I don't know. I've been a Detroit Lions fan for a long time and that team hasn't won a single thing.

And I'm anything but a proud American these days. Our President is a disgrace, our populous consist of unhealthy leechfucks living off of government paychecks, and people can't even read maps. They don't give a hoot about this country either, none of them.

 

[Vlad]

Because it doesn't make any sense to support a national identity you have zero relationship to. Period. It has no logical basis considering you are not required to support a team in the World Cup or any other competition. Therefore, the only reason why people support foreign nations is to experience something they cannot in their current life. People don't become attached to the USA, or Malaysia, or Belgium, or Poland, or Bolivia, or New Zealand, et cetera. They instead look for the best footballing nations in order to fill a void in their lives. Why it exists, I don't know. I've been a Detroit Lions fan for a long time and that team hasn't won a single thing.

And I'm anything but a proud American these days. Our President is a disgrace, our populous consist of unhealthy leechfucks living off of government paychecks, and people can't even read maps. They don't give a hoot about this country either, none of them.

I'm still puzzled why this guy is trying so hard. Throw logic and reason out of window when discussing football related matters. What exactly are you trying to accomplish here, beside pissing off half the forum?

 

[Hist]

Because it doesn't make any sense to support a national identity you have zero relationship to. Period. It has no logical basis considering you are not required to support a team in the World Cup or any other competition. Therefore, the only reason why people support foreign nations is to experience something they cannot in their current life. People don't become attached to the USA, or Malaysia, or Belgium, or Poland, or Bolivia, or New Zealand, et cetera. They instead look for the best footballing nations in order to fill a void in their lives. Why it exists, I don't know. I've been a Detroit Lions fan for a long time and that team hasn't won a single thing.

And I'm anything but a proud American these days. Our President is a disgrace, our populous consist of unhealthy leechfucks living off of government paychecks, and people can't even read maps. They don't give a hoot about this country either, none of them.

If I see national teams as clubs that play less often then the probability that I'll be a fan of a good national team is the same probability that I'll be a fan of a good club.

Strong national teams make new fans the same way strong clubs make new fans. No one will suddenly support malaysia the same way no one will suddenly support stoke city. The more successful a club/NT is the more fans it will have its really not complicated. Stoke city's fans will probably be from whatever location that club is based just like Malaysia's fans are probably malay.

If I ask you why you support Juve you'll probably say its because of the football they played back when you first started watching club football. If you ask me why I support Italy I'll tell you its because of the football they played when I first started watching Worldcups.

 

[Zacheryah]

Because it doesn't make any sense to support a national identity you have zero relationship to. Period. It has no logical basis considering you are not required to support a team in the World Cup or any other competition. Therefore, the only reason why people support foreign nations is to experience something they cannot in their current life. People don't become attached to the USA, or Malaysia, or Belgium, or Poland, or Bolivia, or New Zealand, et cetera. They instead look for the best footballing nations in order to fill a void in their lives. Why it exists, I don't know. I've been a Detroit Lions fan for a long time and that team hasn't won a single thing.

And I'm anything but a proud American these days. Our President is a disgrace, our populous consist of unhealthy leechfucks living off of government paychecks, and people can't even read maps. They don't give a hoot about this country either, none of them.

If i read the newspapers, then Belgium makes a much bigger chance to get far then the italian national team.

Yet i probably will not see a single game. Cant care less. I will make time for each and every single azzurri game, and if my exams allow, i'll go to the italian section of antwerp and watch the game on the big screen with the present italians.

 

[Bjerknes]

I'm still puzzled why this guy is trying so hard. Throw logic and reason out of window when discussing football related matters. What exactly are you trying to accomplish here, beside pissing off half the forum?

It's a football forum. What are you doing here?

Not to be mean or anything, but forums are open for debate, dude.

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Deutschland über alles is magnificent as well, but as you've said several factors are involved. Juventus players most importantly, I mean how could you not cheer for Buffon, Chiello, Bonucci, Marchisio, Pirlo... Juve>>>any NT for that matter.

Because they are different competitions. You think Zidane was secretly cheering on Del Piero in 2006?

You guys are using your hearts instead of your heads here.

 

[Zacheryah]

You guys are using your hearts instead of your heads here.

Lifetime diffrence between Italy and USA.


Also why many like italy, and few like USA tbh

 

[Vlad]

It's a football forum. What are you doing here?

Not to be mean or anything, but forums are open for debate, dude.

Debating is a nice way to put it, but I'd have few others terms for that; arrogance, petulance, impudence, all those certainly come before when you tend to scrutinize how some should feel, for whom should they cheer for.

 

[Bjerknes]

If I see national teams as clubs that play less often then the probability that I'll be a fan of a good national team is the same probability that I'll be a fan of a good club.

Strong national teams make new fans the same way strong clubs make new fans. No one will suddenly support malaysia the same way no one will suddenly support stoke city. The more successful a club/NT is the more fans it will have its really not complicated. Stoke city's fans will probably be from whatever location that club is based just like Malaysia's fans are probably malay.

If I ask you why you support Juve you'll probably say its because of the football they played back when you first started watching club football. If you ask me why I support Italy I'll tell you its because of the football they played when I first started watching Worldcups.

But club football is different in that you can have players of several different nationalities comprise a team. Juventus has a huge fan base in Southern Italy, and there are fan groups that originate from Sweden that actually attend matches. Club football is based first and foremost on city, then the players in which they employ, most of the time not of one single nationality. Therefore, club football transcends borders and unites people of different footballing origins, which is pretty much the point of club football considering essentially anyone can play for any team.

That is in stark contrast from international football where nationality is all that matters. It is the single item that divides all teams, and is essentially all inclusive when it comes to support as well.

 

[Vlad]

You guys are using your hearts instead of your heads here.

Exactly, you finally get it.

 

[Bjerknes]

Lifetime diffrence between Italy and USA.


Also why many like italy, and few like USA tbh

There are several different reasons why you might dislike the USA, which is fine. Just because some folks dislike globalization doesn't mean they don't respect other cultures.

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Exactly, you finally get it.

Yes, you fell in love with a country you have no relationship to, I've already stated that.

 

[Zacheryah]

TYes, you fell in love with a country you have no relationship to, I've already stated that.

A relationship doesnt need to be based on blood or materialism. Love is the greatest example of it.


Using your heart instead of your mind, falling in love with a country. Thats italian passion for you.

You arent open to it. You'll never experience it. Sad really

 

[Vlad]

Yes, you fell in love with a country you have no relationship to, I've already stated that.

Hence my question; what are you trying to accomplish? You can't persuade anyone to change their preference, as it has nothing to do with reasoning. You can repeat as many times as you'd like the same crap and I'd still laugh at your post and find no relevance to it.

 

[Bjerknes]

A relationship doesnt need to be based on blood or materialism. Love is the greatest example of it.


Using your heart instead of your mind, falling in love with a country. Thats italian passion for you.

You arent open to it. You'll never experience it. Sad really

Perhaps if you live in the country, then it would be plausible. Or even having your family take you back to the homeland, showing you where your mother and father grew up, perhaps the grandparents as well. The little towns your family frequented, the vineyards your family managed, the history of your closest ancestry that you can link to your own situation. Yes, indeed, that would be considered passion and love for one's upbringing.

Anything lesser than that is simply irrational and moronic.

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Hence my question; what are you trying to accomplish? You can't persuade anyone to change their preference, as it has nothing to do with reasoning. You can repeat as many times as you'd like the same crap and I'd still laugh at your post and find no relevance to it.

If you think you can accomplish something on a football forum, then we have different problems. I don't expect anyone to change their opinions on here, I just expect them to lose the debate.