Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2014-15) (15 Viewers)

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Zacheryah

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I didn't read too many posts since you came back. How would you describe players like Nani and Cerci and do you think they'd fit Juve? I ask that because I think those two are going to be our main targets for wings simply because none of the other names are realistic. Menez too, but he'd come for free.
Cerci would definatly be a good target. Because he can play both on the wing and in the center. So he can fit into both our current formation, and any wingbased team conte could have in mind. But he's not really a new starter. He is far from the level we need from a starter imo. But he's a player that allows us to play wingbased, if it was required to counter the opponent.

Nani, i'm not sure off. If conte believes he can get him back to his best form, then he would definatly be a good adittion. Thing is, we can get no one close to nani's good levels on the opposite side. However, i believe in a 352 he could play a free role behind the forward, moving in channels to his right, allowing pogba to make penetrating runs to his left.

Is this ideal ? No. But on the other hand, IF we have Nani, we allready got 1 potentially very very good winger. And it would open possibilities for the next season.


And in case we'd sell Pogba, and get Di Maria (highly unlikely tho) we could allways go marchisio-vidal, behind dimaria-tevez-nani behind llorente/immobile.
Not balanced, but excellent to smash lesser defences around

I read somewhere today that we have agreed terms with Mandzukic at 3mil/year plus bonuses and that Marotta is willing to meet his 30 million price tag. lol.
if we get the MAN, then we should tell osvaldo to gtfo.

But seriously, lets be real. We arent paying 30 mil for him in a million years

Bayern this season are playing the 2 offensive creative midfielders with one holding midfielder and they are not doing bad are they? I understand that it leaves gaps in the middle but we have the likes of pogba, vidal and even asamoah which are superb defensively and offensively.

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manzukic without wingers supplying him out be like a pizza without its base. :D
Bayeren rapes because they got insane talent, and insanely complete wingers. Kroos, Muller, Gotze, robben, ribery, are you kidding me ?
And they got2 of the best 3 holding midfielders in the world.

Yeah, thats kinda overpowered.



And manzukic doesnt need wingers. He can perfectly feed on the high balls that pogba or pirlo send him, or the crosses from licht and asamoah, or the cutback crosses from asamoah, or the feed from tevez etc
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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352


Buffon
Barzagli Bonucci Chiellini
Litchsteiner Vidal Pirlo Pogba Asamoah
Tevez Llorente


433

Buffon
Litchsteiner Barzagli Chiellini Asamoah
Vidal Pirlo Pogba
Shaqiri Llorente Tevez


We are only dropping bonucci which is an improve in my eyes.
man, learn to write the names of the players from the team youre supporting. you are constantly writing Litchsteiner while the correct name is Lichtsteiner. look at your FIFA game again, maybe you bought PES accidently :disagree:
 

rakib567

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Apr 27, 2013
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Bayeren $#@!s because they got insane talent, and insanely complete wingers. Kroos, Muller, Gotze, robben, ribery, are you kidding me ?
And they got2 of the best 3 holding midfielders in the world.

Yeah, thats kinda overpowered.



And manzukic doesnt need wingers. He can perfectly feed on the high balls that pogba or pirlo send him, or the crosses from licht and asamoah, or the cutback crosses from asamoah, or the feed from tevez etc
I know Bayern have just reached some new level. a world class inform player in every single position. we probably won't reach their level unless the likes of berardi become as good as muller or something.


and manzukic does in wingers. not many of his goals are made from his own runs and dribbling. maybe pogba and vidal could assist but again they have to defend and they cannot be responsible for all of the attacks. it's just too much!
 

Eljo

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Nov 29, 2013
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when i fell depressed i read rakibs posts and feel a lot better. thank god for idiots.

BTW - u cannot compare bayern to any other team right now (maybe real, but they have less chemistry and team balance) - they can play 352/433/4312/4231/4141/what ever number u can name and still be beast, because they have so much talent - they have 14/15 world class players that would make any team better. so stfu about bayern (rakib), they are on another planet.

we should buy players that enhance our current tactical ideas and/or give us another choice.
 

rakib567

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Apr 27, 2013
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when i fell depressed i read rakibs posts and feel a lot better. thank god for idiots.

BTW - u cannot compare bayern to any other team right now (maybe real, but they have less chemistry and team balance) - they can play 352/433/4312/4231/4141/what ever number u can name and still be beast, because they have so much talent - they have 14/15 world class players that would make any team better. so stfu about bayern (rakib), they are on another planet.

we should buy players that enhance our current tactical ideas and/or give us another choice.
a 352 Bayern would be weaker than a 4231 or 4141 bayern

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and btw I am calling for a tactical change from our squad which is what we need for Europe. in serie A we can use 352 I don't care.
 

Orgut

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We defeated celtic and got eliminated by the by far best team. That doesnt give $#@! evidence that other teams would have gotten us, even if we had a weaker frontline.

You name a chelsea that had won the CL. We won without our current strikers who made us so much better. We shut up hazard, and their flanks, with our 352 quite well.
Just imagine this team when the defence is in a decent form

Barcelona got trashed, because bayern very easely countered their playstyle and formation. Barcelona's 433 has a weak central axis, and if you can domminate the center and cut off the flanks and combinations via Iniesta, then suddenly they are very exposed. This is the case for every 433 with 2 offensive mids, and why its in essence unbalanced. Barcelona's overwhelming offensive talent, and the general lack of good defensive players, masked this a great deal.

Bayeren are offcourse not using a 433.
Last year, they had a massive 4231 going, wich so many younger talents, who only got better.
For this year, first, they killed dortmund by getting gotze. Its evident on how much worse dortmund has become. Beeing a genuine CL contender last year, and a challenger in the bundesliga, they fell far behind now, didnt impress in the groupstage and had a very lucky draw in the first round, much more then we with celtic last year.

Because we dont have such overwhelming talent, and especially because we cant get wingers remotely close to the talent bayern has, we can offcourse not use their formation.

For bayern, the fact that there is no good defensive team, and that they got worldclass wingers and midfielders, makes it work. Without such wingers, it wont work.
Agree
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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a 352 Bayern would be weaker than a 4231 or 4141 bayern

and btw I am calling for a tactical change from our squad which is what we need for Europe. in serie A we can use 352 I don't care.
Our 352 did quite well against Napoli, who stood up against Arsenal and Dortmund despite their hole of a defence. This "european" thing, is overrated. Its mentality and form of players.

4231 and 4141 are both "elite" formations. They work excellent when you got the overpowered players to make them work 100%.
But it is very difficult to get such players. Many (like man utd) try to use the superior 4231 formation. And many (like man utd) fail miserably cause they lack the players to make it work

The reason why barcelona pulls off a 433 with 2 offensive mids and offensive fullbacks, is because they get a tactical plan that counters the weaknesses, and because they got the exact players to make it work. Take away Xavi and iniesta, and not a single player can get barcelona near their level.


352 is something that works against most teams, except a perfect 4231. And even then it can easely be adjusted to do so.

we should buy players that enhance our current tactical ideas and/or give us another choice.
I strongly agree here. And this is why i'm not opposed to getting players that are wingers. As long as they can also find their way in our current formation.

A guy like cerci for this reason is excellent. Good when playing behind a centre forward, good when playing on the wing. Not good enough to be a starter, but good enough to allow a change in formation should we require a winger based team to hard counter the opponent.

Bit like giaccherini tbh. Conte loves unility players
 

rakib567

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Apr 27, 2013
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Our 352 did quite well against Napoli, who stood up against Arsenal and Dortmund despite their hole of a defence. This "european" thing, is overrated. Its mentality and form of players.

4231 and 4141 are both "elite" formations. They work excellent when you got the overpowered players to make them work 100%.
But it is very difficult to get such players. Many (like man utd) try to use the superior 4231 formation. And many (like man utd) fail miserably cause they lack the players to make it work

The reason why barcelona pulls off a 433 with 2 offensive mids and offensive fullbacks, is because they get a tactical plan that counters the weaknesses, and because they got the exact players to make it work. Take away Xavi and iniesta, and not a single player can get barcelona near their level.


352 is something that works against most teams, except a perfect 4231. And even then it can easely be adjusted to do so.
if you look at roma for example they don't have overpowerd players in attack. they have gervinho, florenzi etc... and because of their fluent and coherent playing style they are able to comfortably control games. they way juve control the game is though the cetre backs passing the ball around
 
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