Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2014-15) (30 Viewers)

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PedroFlu

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Some observations:

- Vucinic deal was beautiful. 6M to receive upfront is definitely great. Plus his salary shed.

- Torino fucked us 3 times now lol. 15M for Ogbonna. Then, we get 8M for Immobile, when they get 10/12M for him, even though he was co-owned at half by both and they payed peanuts to get his first half. And finally, 3.5M for Quagliarella in 3 damn years - that's a bit more than 1M a year. We practically gave him away.

- But considered together, selling Vucinic + Quags for an almost 10M and being able to shed their salaries without having to pay part of it, plus 7.1M of this money being received upfront - good business by Marotta.

- Peluso was basically exchanged for Marrone 1/2 to get back - decent deal;

- 5.5M in 3 years for Sturaro is decent. The bonus will depend if the guy is good. If not, he will cost little. If he's good, 11M for a young Italian CM/DM capable of playing at Juve is good. This deal looks overpaid at first, than it looks decent.

- loaning Pereyra - if it Sorensen (valued at 1.5M) + Donis, I don't like it. But anyway, no money was spent for the deal itself. If it's really an OPTION to buy, I'm ok with it. Decent.

- Evra coming for 3.5M salaries net - that's a lot. But there weren't many options anyway. It's a try. Decent.

- Coman and Carlos Blanco are deals that I really like. Good.

- In the end, we paid a grand total of 13.5M for Isla. That is less than his total worth the time he was bought. If we sell him for 8/10M, it's not that bad.

- got robbed in Pasquato deal. No way in hell he's worth 3M.

- Zaza sale was awesome - Sassuolo really valued the guy at 15M? There must be another agreement in there. This probably includes some extra money they paid for maybe having Berardi for one more season.

- If we really agreed on 15M to buy Zaza back (which won't happen) and 10M for Berardi, it's good business. We should do something similar with Rugani. He may be pretty expensive next summer to bring him back.

Overall, mercato is decent. We are selling OK. Still got some deadweight to get rid of, what will be pretty difficult - De Ceglie, Motta, Padoin.

I'm afraid we overpaid crazily for Morata. It's a risky bet.

But in the end, we didn't do anything too stupid. We need at least to get a trequartista now. But I'd say it's decent.

Next summer, the club will have to spend a shitload of money. We have so many co-owns to resolve. I hope Gabbiadini and Boakye can have great seasons so we can sell them well. Berardi and Rugani together will cost like 17/18M.

But if everything goes right, next summer the squad will have a nice intake of youth, with Berardi, Rugani and Sturaro coming to us.

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Jesus Maxwell Christ, Sturaro could cost 11m?

What are the bonuses? Do they apply to how he does on loan, or only playing for Juve?
He looks overpaid, but I guess it's kind of ok. It's 5.5M guaranteed split on 3 years.

Then, 3.5M bonus depending on his performance or the team's performance in 2015/16, when he plays for us.

Plus 2M bonus depending on his performance this season at Serie A. If the guy is a bust, we'll end up paying 5.5M in 3 years and that's it. If he's good, he's gonna cost at least 7/8M, but it's a decent price for a good young Italian CM/DM nowadays.

He's less overpriced than it looks.
 

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PedroFlu

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:tup: Sorensen is included in the Pereyra deal though.

also what may/will happen - expect Isla, Pasquato, De Ceglie, Marrone, F. Rossi, Motta, Ziegler and maybe Padoin to be gone. we are most likely adding a defender (Nastasic/Savic/Astori) and an offensive player (Jovetic/Shaqiri/Lavezzi/Nani/Pastore) and that should be it...
Yep.

Savic had a shitty season at Fiorentina... there might be an exchange for Isla.

If this doesn't happen, I can see Isla going for like 8M and we may go after Romulo and pay a similar fee.

And of course if Vidal leaves, everything changes, and we'll need a big name to replace him.
 

zizinho

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Marotta is having a really good mercato so far

and its just 18 july. If we can just add 1 trequartista, it would be perfection
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Yep.

Savic had a $#@!ty season at Fiorentina... there might be an exchange for Isla.

If this doesn't happen, I can see Isla going for like 8M and we may go after Romulo and pay a similar fee.

And of course if Vidal leaves, everything changes, and we'll need a big name to replace him.
Nastasic/Savic, Shaqiri/Lavezzi and i'd give Marotta a pure 10
 

PedroFlu

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As of today our team is exactly the one who played the whole last season as a starter. Allegri is not crazy to change the 352 from the beginning. If we have bad results, he'll change it. And I expect it to happen, actually with or without Conte. The team is too predictable, these tactics are washed up.

Buffon - Barzagli, Bonucci, Chiellini - Licht, Pirlo, Vidal, Pogba, Asamoah - Tevez, Llorente.

Last years bench: Storari, Caceres, Ogbonna, Peluso, Isla, Padoin, Marchisio, Giovinco, Vucinic, Quags, Osvaldo.

This years bench so far: Storari, Caceres, Ogbonna, Evra, Isla, Padoin, Marrone, Marchisio, Pereyra, Giovinco, Coman, Morata.


The additions of Evra, Marrone, Pereyra, Coman, Morata give more options and seem to improve the bench IMO, even though I have to watch these guys play more to have an opinion.
 

PedroFlu

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Nastasic/Savic, Shaqiri/Lavezzi and i'd give Marotta a pure 10
No Lavezzi to me... we are having a lot of trouble due to this kind of signing. The guy is good, but paying 20M on a 29 yr old with a 4M salary means spending like 45M on a guy with no future possibility of getting any of this money back, like with Vucinic, Quagliarella, Pepe, etc.

Also, his game is based mostly on athleticism, the guy will be down in 1 or 2 years. He's not that skilled. He would be very useful now, but would be bad for our future.

Shaqiri or Pastore should cost around the same (20M) with maybe a bit lower wages. I'd be in for those guys. If one of them come, plus a good CB - and I don't rate Nastasic/Savic/Astori highly, even though I don't really see them play regularly - we'd be settled I guess.

Just try to sell Bonucci to have some more funds and give up 352.

Buffon - Licht, Barzagli, Chiellini, Evra - Pirlo, Vidal, Pogba - Pastore/Shaqiri - Tevez, Llorente.

Bench: Storari, Caceres, Ogbonna, Nastasic, Asamoah, Marchisio, Pereyra, Coman, Giovinco, Morata.
 

zizinho

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No Lavezzi to me... we are having a lot of trouble due to this kind of signing. The guy is good, but paying 20M on a 29 yr old with a 4M salary means spending like 45M on a guy with no future possibility of getting any of this money back, like with Vucinic, Quagliarella, Pepe, etc.

Also, his game is based mostly on athleticism, the guy will be down in 1 or 2 years. He's not that skilled. He would be very useful now, but would be bad for our future.

Shaqiri or Pastore should cost around the same (20M) with maybe a bit lower wages. I'd be in for those guys. If one of them come, plus a good CB - and I don't rate Nastasic/Savic/Astori highly, even though I don't really see them play regularly - we'd be settled I guess.

Just try to sell Bonucci to have some more funds and give up 352.

Buffon - Licht, Barzagli, Chiellini, Evra - Pirlo, Vidal, Pogba - Pastore/Shaqiri - Tevez, Llorente.

Bench: Storari, Caceres, Ogbonna, Nastasic, Asamoah, Marchisio, Pereyra, Coman, Giovinco, Morata.
selling him would be nice. we could finish the mercato in +, like last year while still improving a lot. Nastasic has the potential to become much better anyway. i agree on Lavezzi, he is not perfect but i think he is the only one available that is good enough with Shaqiri. i dont rate Pastore and i wouldnt want him so i posted Lavezzi as a backup plan for Shaqiri who should be our nr. 1 target. with Shaqiri, we could be able to field any formation between 4-3-1-2, 4-3-2-1, 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 and still keep the quality level high...
 

PedroFlu

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for getting a discount on Isla. he will be sold/loaned out soon
Yep. Just so that Isla's purchase wouldn't look so bad. There won't be any team big enough to want him and pay cash for him. He'll just be loaned out again to a Serie B team or involved in any transfer for a youngster from Serie B.

If I'm not mistaken his team Padova got relegated from Serie B.

He's 24 yrs, 1.73m. Winger or SS. Last season: 2 games coppa Italia - 1 goal; 37 games Serie B - 7 goals, 5 assists.

This guy used to be highly rated among Juventus youth. In 2012/13 he had a shot playing at Serie A for Bologna. But always was subbed in in the end of games. Played very little. 14 games, 2 goals, 1 assist, 342 minutes. In the same year, 3 games at Coppa italia, 2 goals.

In 2011/12 he played for Lecce at Serie A. Also didn't get many mintues, I think he had a serious injury. 10 games, no goas, 424 min. In the same season he played for Torino in Serie B - only 3 games, 1 goal, 1 assist, 116 minutes.

in 2007/08, with only 18yrs, he actually got to play a Serie A game for Juve. He was considered a good talent.

In 2010/11, he played at Serie B with Modena, being a full starter, with 40 games, 9 goals, 13 assists.

He's just the kind of guy who probably has enough talent to play for a team like Bologna or Udinese. But injuries and playing for bad teams did no good to him.

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selling him would be nice. we could finish the mercato in +, like last year while still improving a lot. Nastasic has the potential to become much better anyway. i agree on Lavezzi, he is not perfect but i think he is the only one available that is good enough with Shaqiri. i dont rate Pastore and i wouldnt want him so i posted Lavezzi as a backup plan for Shaqiri who should be our nr. 1 target. with Shaqiri, we could be able to field any formation between 4-3-1-2, 4-3-2-1, 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 and still keep the quality level high...
Yep, but it's not happening though :(

Allegri would never ask this to Marotta, since he's just arrived. Bonucci is important to 352, Barzagli is injured, and Allegri will definitely keep the scheme in the beginning.

I see Allegri keeping Conte's starting team. I expect the team to start shaky, not very well, and after sometime Allegri will try to move the scheme, maybe change some players. I hope we pan out under him. I definitely see a transition titleless season.

Next season, if Rugani, Berardi and Sturaro do well, their addition + a big name will make this team great again. That's my guess.
 

Joe

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Marotta is having a really good mercato so far

and its just 18 july. If we can just add 1 trequartista, it would be perfection
It has to be a quality trequartista though.

Quality trequartista, Morata, Peryra, and Evra + youth investments, is a good mercato for us IMO.
 
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