Of course we want Italian players in Italy, we want the best ones though. We should be looking at youth when it comes to defenders and attackers
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Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2014-15) (51 Viewers)
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We're not that poor. Let's not exaggerate now. 
Biabiany should be seen nowhere near this clubs, useless hack, more suitable for counter attacking teams. He should therefore continue plying his trade at mid table Serie A clubs.
Biabiany should be seen nowhere near this clubs, useless hack, more suitable for counter attacking teams. He should therefore continue plying his trade at mid table Serie A clubs.
This summer our income will be lessened, deficit will be bigger. Spending 10M in total is pretty realistic within this context.
If I were to go by the book value of players that were bought and sold it would amount to 45m that we spent last summer, net spending. This year we might invest 30m and we'll finance our purchases mostly by debt. Deficit will be covered with remaining capital reserves.
Overall we invested 66m as seen in the cash flow statement, pg.8 (investment in players registration rights). I'm sure we can do better than Biabiany or Gila.
http://www.juventus.com/wps/wcm/con...&CACHEID=65466471-0a5a-40a6-9039-bb129071289c
Overall we invested 66m as seen in the cash flow statement, pg.8 (investment in players registration rights). I'm sure we can do better than Biabiany or Gila.
http://www.juventus.com/wps/wcm/con...&CACHEID=65466471-0a5a-40a6-9039-bb129071289c
If I were to go by the book value of players that were bought and sold it would amount to 45m that we spent last summer, net spending. This year we might invest 30m and we'll finance our purchases mostly by debt. Deficit will be covered with remaining capital reserves.
Overall we invested 66m as seen in the cash flow statement, pg.8 (investment in players registration rights). I'm sure we can do better than Biabiany or Gila.
http://www.juventus.com/wps/wcm/con...&CACHEID=65466471-0a5a-40a6-9039-bb129071289c
Overall we invested 66m as seen in the cash flow statement, pg.8 (investment in players registration rights). I'm sure we can do better than Biabiany or Gila.
http://www.juventus.com/wps/wcm/con...&CACHEID=65466471-0a5a-40a6-9039-bb129071289c
If I were to go by the book value of players that were bought and sold it would amount to 45m that we spent last summer, net spending. This year we might invest 30m and we'll finance our purchases mostly by debt. Deficit will be covered with remaining capital reserves.
Overall we invested 66m as seen in the cash flow statement, pg.8 (investment in players registration rights). I'm sure we can do better than Biabiany or Gila.
http://www.juventus.com/wps/wcm/con...&CACHEID=65466471-0a5a-40a6-9039-bb129071289c
Overall we invested 66m as seen in the cash flow statement, pg.8 (investment in players registration rights). I'm sure we can do better than Biabiany or Gila.
http://www.juventus.com/wps/wcm/con...&CACHEID=65466471-0a5a-40a6-9039-bb129071289c
Thing is this investment in players registration rights is due to payment of installments.
The big question is until when will most of these installments run.
And I believe the answer is until 2015.
A lot of players bought 3 or 4 years ago, like Vucinic, Pepe, Quags, Caceres - actually almost every player of the current squad - were signed to pay in 3 or 4 installments.
We'll keep paying for the majority of them till 2015.
So I don't think the club will be able to increase the debt so much this summer, because I don't see a great relief considering the end of these installments, which should be by 2015.
So I still think we definitely won't spend more than 10M of our own cash. 2015 should allow much more investment.
I agree We wont splash it on one player
If we do sell Pogba I expect us to get Verratti for 25M which will give us a profit of around 50M to use on improving our team which I expect to be used on players such as Cuadrado who can be used as a wingback or a winger 30M and a defender (which I have no example for now)
If we do sell Pogba I expect us to spend very little if we are to spend at all (net wise)
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I think for Reus Dortmund would want an addition of at least 20M on top of Immobile
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Nah I dont think we`ll go for Gilardino
He is a 1000 years old...
I expect us to loan a guy to complete our forward line - like we always do
I do expect us to get Gabbiadini back who is actually a talented player although I`m not too enthusiastic about his goal record
Quag would fetch us more than 3M and Vucinic more than 5M IMO
I dont expect Conte to sell his beloved Padoin even if it is evident he is not really a Juve material
Paletta is someone I expect us to buy and 13M for Lulic I highly doubt it
If we do sell Pogba I expect us to get Verratti for 25M which will give us a profit of around 50M to use on improving our team which I expect to be used on players such as Cuadrado who can be used as a wingback or a winger 30M and a defender (which I have no example for now)
If we do sell Pogba I expect us to spend very little if we are to spend at all (net wise)
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I think for Reus Dortmund would want an addition of at least 20M on top of Immobile
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Nah I dont think we`ll go for Gilardino
He is a 1000 years old...
I expect us to loan a guy to complete our forward line - like we always do
I do expect us to get Gabbiadini back who is actually a talented player although I`m not too enthusiastic about his goal record
Quag would fetch us more than 3M and Vucinic more than 5M IMO
I dont expect Conte to sell his beloved Padoin even if it is evident he is not really a Juve material
Paletta is someone I expect us to buy and 13M for Lulic I highly doubt it
I think the tactics will remain...Pirlo will be a year older and yet another WC older as well and ihighly doubt he will perform but that is it. Marchisio can play in that role in a different way I guess.
Anyway..my wishlist is:
Out: Peluso, Isla, PDC (think he is loaned??), Padoin, Quags, Vucinic, Giovinco and do not buy Osvaldo.
In: Lulic, Murru, Immobile, Menez, Cuadrado.
Part of me would like to bring in a player like Pastore who was great at Palermo and probably could return to that form if given a chance in the juve environment but I know it is so left field that it wont happen.
Asamoah becomes that 5th option for the 3 midfield roles...lots of rotation is needed in that area unlike this season.
Cuadrado would cost us a lot but I think he is the only player in Serie A who I would pay the money for who could actually make conte utilise different tactics.
Lich/Caceres - more than good enough for the right.
CBs - wouldn't consider changing this area unless we can get an upgrade on Bonucci and Ogbonna and somehow recap what we spent on these guys.
Immobile - guess what? He can do the job for us in Serie A and possibly perform better in this team.
Menez - free and versatile, would be silly not to go for him.
My only concern is that we don't have a true back up for Tevez...a true support striker who can come on and do what we need when tevez isn't there for the 3-5-2. But I have no idea who could join at a reasonable price and deliver what we need.
Anyway..my wishlist is:
Out: Peluso, Isla, PDC (think he is loaned??), Padoin, Quags, Vucinic, Giovinco and do not buy Osvaldo.
In: Lulic, Murru, Immobile, Menez, Cuadrado.
Part of me would like to bring in a player like Pastore who was great at Palermo and probably could return to that form if given a chance in the juve environment but I know it is so left field that it wont happen.
Asamoah becomes that 5th option for the 3 midfield roles...lots of rotation is needed in that area unlike this season.
Cuadrado would cost us a lot but I think he is the only player in Serie A who I would pay the money for who could actually make conte utilise different tactics.
Lich/Caceres - more than good enough for the right.
CBs - wouldn't consider changing this area unless we can get an upgrade on Bonucci and Ogbonna and somehow recap what we spent on these guys.
Immobile - guess what? He can do the job for us in Serie A and possibly perform better in this team.
Menez - free and versatile, would be silly not to go for him.
My only concern is that we don't have a true back up for Tevez...a true support striker who can come on and do what we need when tevez isn't there for the 3-5-2. But I have no idea who could join at a reasonable price and deliver what we need.
We'll always have installments to settle, most clubs operate this way and we're not an exception, but the full figure must be accounted for immediately. You can actually see, if you compare these figures with the ones in the cash flow statement from above, incredible congruence, although monetary transactions for the transfers bellow will occur within the next few years. Then you can look at the pattern in the last few years and in the season before (2012/13) we invested 68m, 2011/12 almost the same...therefore the explanation of that congruence. That is why I believe it is highly unlikely that we'll spend mere 10m next summer.
2013/14
2013/14
It's been reported that Torino wants to renew his co-own (obviously) and Juve said no (obviously).
So Cairo wants to pay 6M for his other half (LOL) and of course Juve won't take it.
I feel that if Torino offer like 7M + 1/2 half some youngster Marotta might take it. But if they don't, it's simple: Immobile will be bought, return, and if Dortmundo doesn't offer 15M for him, he'll stay for next season.
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It makes sense. But I don't think it will be much more than 10M. Most of these 68M are due from 3/4 years ago and most of these debts will be finished this summer. So if we spend say like 30M, the burden this summer would be too heavy.
Also, checking our accounts, I don't find it very encouraging. Our level of general debt (liabilities) is pretty high. Our own capital is waaay less than our debt. It's of only 53M at the moment, while liabilities are at around 420M, and our assets total 480M. I mean, the total of liabilities is almost equal to the total of assets; and the financial debt, which is the one that really matters, is around 160M. It's a lot. But I believe a good part of it comes from Exor, so interest should be pretty low.
Our situation is improving, but it's not that comfortable at all.
And the most worrisome is how matchday income and commercial income are still very weak for Juventus. I don't really know what should be done in this department.
But I do know that we'll sign with Adidas a contract almost as worth as Madrid's. They get 30M a year. We'll get something like 25M a year, or more.
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So Cairo wants to pay 6M for his other half (LOL) and of course Juve won't take it.
I feel that if Torino offer like 7M + 1/2 half some youngster Marotta might take it. But if they don't, it's simple: Immobile will be bought, return, and if Dortmundo doesn't offer 15M for him, he'll stay for next season.
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We'll always have installments to settle, most clubs operate this way and we're not an exception, but the full figure must be accounted for immediately. You can actually see, if you compare these figures with the ones in the cash flow statement from above, incredible congruence, although monetary transactions for the transfers bellow will occur within the next few years. Then you can look at the pattern in the last few years and in the season before (2012/13) we invested 68m, 2011/12 almost the same...therefore the explanation of that congruence. That is why I believe it is highly unlikely that we'll spend mere 10m next summer.
2013/14
2013/14
Also, checking our accounts, I don't find it very encouraging. Our level of general debt (liabilities) is pretty high. Our own capital is waaay less than our debt. It's of only 53M at the moment, while liabilities are at around 420M, and our assets total 480M. I mean, the total of liabilities is almost equal to the total of assets; and the financial debt, which is the one that really matters, is around 160M. It's a lot. But I believe a good part of it comes from Exor, so interest should be pretty low.
Our situation is improving, but it's not that comfortable at all.
And the most worrisome is how matchday income and commercial income are still very weak for Juventus. I don't really know what should be done in this department.
But I do know that we'll sign with Adidas a contract almost as worth as Madrid's. They get 30M a year. We'll get something like 25M a year, or more.
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Those figures that I posted above are specifically for 2013/14 and evidently we'll have new installments over the next few years coming from these, just like we have installments from the previous season, thus expiry of those from 3-5 years ago won't make much of a difference.
And that is worrisome indeed. Our ratio of capital/liabilities is unhealthy, fortunately Agenlli's affiliates are providing us with cheap loans, as you've correctly assumed, that keep us afloat. If the pipe is suddenly shut down we wouldn't be able to spend, and most likely selling assets would become our priority, that is if we want to meet due obligations.
It's obvious that we're rolling over our maturing debt, as we couldn't possibly settle couple of hundred millions of liabilities that are due for this season, but each time it becomes little bit more expensive. What Agnelli is hoping for is that our income surpasses certain point that would make previous accumulated obligations less of a burden, hence the significant investments each year. To support this thesis we've almost doubled our income in short period of time, as you might remember at the end of 2010/11 we earned 180m, while for the last year the figure was 280m. Once we reach 300m and that is not considering CL income, we'll be able to compete with EPL clubs and Spanish giants.
And that is worrisome indeed. Our ratio of capital/liabilities is unhealthy, fortunately Agenlli's affiliates are providing us with cheap loans, as you've correctly assumed, that keep us afloat. If the pipe is suddenly shut down we wouldn't be able to spend, and most likely selling assets would become our priority, that is if we want to meet due obligations.
It's obvious that we're rolling over our maturing debt, as we couldn't possibly settle couple of hundred millions of liabilities that are due for this season, but each time it becomes little bit more expensive. What Agnelli is hoping for is that our income surpasses certain point that would make previous accumulated obligations less of a burden, hence the significant investments each year. To support this thesis we've almost doubled our income in short period of time, as you might remember at the end of 2010/11 we earned 180m, while for the last year the figure was 280m. Once we reach 300m and that is not considering CL income, we'll be able to compete with EPL clubs and Spanish giants.
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