Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2014-15) (16 Viewers)

[Zacheryah]

but if you consider what conte used in the 2011-12 season he started with a 433/424/4231 with pepe as a winger and vucinic at lw. wingers is his preferred way of playing and if he gets a winger that is as good or even better than pepe's form that season then he could make a permanent change. even if it means playing tevez in the middle and benching llorente.

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or he could even start using 424 and playing tevez and llorente. I recon he will make us a lot more flexible and we will play games in a mixture of formations including 424,433 and 352. this will make us so unpredictable.

Fine, lets get the players from 2011-2012 , because they fitted a formation that was unpredictable, right ?

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Our current 352 is much more solid and defensively better then the 433 you mention. It gets the best ouf of Pirlo, Pogba and Tevez.

Your formation forces tevez out of his natural position, not a bit but quite alot, it forces pogba to be more defensive, and adds some average guy.
Yeah, thats a horrible idea, so stop it

 

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[rakib567]

Fine, lets get the players from 2011-2012 , because they fitted a formation that was unpredictable, right ?

no players that can do a better job. ie. pereyra for giacchierini role, menez for pepe winger option. then add some more talent like immobile, cerci and one other winger if possible and we are sorted.

 

[Zacheryah]

Better then 2011-2012, much worse then current

 

[rakib567]

Fine, lets get the players from 2011-2012 , because they fitted a formation that was unpredictable, right ?

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Our current 352 is much more solid and defensively better then the 433 you mention. It gets the best ouf of Pirlo, Pogba and Tevez.

Your formation forces tevez out of his natural position, not a bit but quite alot, it forces pogba to be more defensive, and adds some average guy.
Yeah, thats a horrible idea, so stop it

no. tevez would play in a free role like he does with the 352 where he can drift wide, support midfield or be a central striker.

pirlo pogba and vidal would actually be better as they would have more space because the wingers would open up the defence so pogba and vidal can attack more turning into a 4141. just like in the real Madrid game where pogba was free to join attack and not even kedira was able to follow him. pogba and vidal in a organised 433 would be beast.

 

[Zacheryah]

no. tevez would play in a free role like he does with the 352 where he can drift wide, support midfield or be a central striker.

pirlo pogba and vidal would actually be better as they would have more space because the wingers would open up the defence so pogba and vidal can attack more turning into a 4141. just like in the real Madrid game where pogba was free to join attack and not even kedira was able to follow him. pogba and vidal in a organised 433 would be beast.

Completely wrong.

In a 433 tevez should be wide in the first place, or he's clogging the center for the other 2 box to box midfielders. But tevez isnt a winger and would perform quite less then he is now. In a 4231 it would work, because then he only has supporting players behind him, and the creative ones next to him.


Next you contradict yourself. Tevez will drift inside. Meaning there is no space for Pogba and Vidal.
If tevez would play wide, giving Pogba and Vidal their space, then he is severely less effective. Furthermore, Pogba and Vidal make attacking moves, but arent creators. They dont have creativity. by putting tevez out of the center on the wing, you effectively take nearly half the creativity out of juventus, just so you can play wingers.

Quite obvious, thats very bad.

 

[rakib567]

Completely wrong.

In a 433 tevez should be wide in the first place, or he's clogging the center for the other 2 box to box midfielders. But tevez isnt a winger and would perform quite less then he is now. In a 4231 it would work, because then he only has supporting players behind him, and the creative ones next to him.


Next you contradict yourself. Tevez will drift inside. Meaning there is no space for Pogba and Vidal.
If tevez would play wide, giving Pogba and Vidal their space, then he is severely less effective. Furthermore, Pogba and Vidal make attacking moves, but arent creators. They dont have creativity. by putting tevez out of the center on the wing, you effectively take nearly half the creativity out of juventus, just so you can play wingers.

Quite obvious, thats very bad.

in the Madrid game you clerly say how tevez on the left worked. conte rotate the left and right wings with his right and left midfielders which meant that tevez was able to go his supporting role job and pogba could penetrate the defence. it turned from a 4321 to a 4141.


vidal pirlo pogba
march llorente tevez


--------pirlo
vidal march tevez pogba
-------llorente

 

[Zacheryah]

in the Madrid game you clerly say how tevez on the left worked. conte rotate the left and right wings with his right and left midfielders which meant that tevez was able to go his supporting role job and pogba could penetrate the defence. it turned from a 4321 to a 4141.


vidal pirlo pogba
march llorente tevez


--------pirlo
vidal march tevez pogba
-------llorente

What ??

Tevez was playing, in possession his supportive role, with marchisio closeby. Not as a winger at all.
In defence, both marchisio and tevez played as wide midfielders, blocking the buildup from the flanks.

At no point, tevez was playing as an actual winger when in position.


Furthermore, your formation is simply horrible.

You play 1 creative player in a 4AM line, Pogba and Vidal wide, and pirlo to cover/suppot for it. Offcourse that wont work !


Bayern does this, because they got incredibly talented players, ticking the boxes for this kind of formation.

The wide players of the formation are actual wingers, and nearly every bayern am, is equally good as winger.
The midfield isnt held by a player that can hardly run. Bayern got true holding midfielders, capable of both covering and physical interaction.
The am's are all 4 very creative and skillfull, yet work hard(apart from gotze), and press hard

YOUR formation, has an old man covering, has 2 players who arent wingers on the wing, wich is completely out of position, and has only 1 actually creative player in the line beeing tevez.

The very essence of a 4141 is that you need creativity and workrate. Juventus doesnt have that creativity, just pirlo and tevez.


This formation would be horrible, cause it blocks the forwards runs, lacks creativity and is terribly weak when you pass the line.

It must be the most atrocious piece of crap i saw on thos forum in decades

 

[zizinho]

What ??

Tevez was playing, in possession his supportive role, with marchisio closeby. Not as a winger at all.
In defence, both marchisio and tevez played as wide midfielders, blocking the buildup from the flanks.

At no point, tevez was playing as an actual winger when in position.


Furthermore, your formation is simply horrible.

You play 1 creative player in a 4AM line, Pogba and Vidal wide, and pirlo to cover/suppot for it. Offcourse that wont work !


Bayern does this, because they got incredibly talented players, ticking the boxes for this kind of formation.

The wide players of the formation are actual wingers, and nearly every bayern am, is equally good as winger.
The midfield isnt held by a player that can hardly run. Bayern got true holding midfielders, capable of both covering and physical interaction.
The am's are all 4 very creative and skillfull, yet work hard(apart from gotze), and press hard

YOUR formation, has an old man covering, has 2 players who arent wingers on the wing, wich is completely out of position, and has only 1 actually creative player in the line beeing tevez.

The very essence of a 4141 is that you need creativity and workrate. Juventus doesnt have that creativity, just pirlo and tevez.


This formation would be horrible, cause it blocks the forwards runs, lacks creativity and is terribly weak when you pass the line.

It must be the most atrocious piece of crap i saw on thos forum in decades

Bayern played Thiago in the Supercup against Dortmund in the 4-1-4-1 and got crushed 4-1.

 

[alexjuventino]

4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 if we switch to a back 4

 

[Zacheryah]

Probably 4-3-1-2

4-3-3 is impossible, and should die out

 

[Mr Chocolate]

i like 4-3-1-2

 

[rakib567]

the problem is not pogba or vidal. is tevez. he cannot play 433. I would go for a 4321 with tevez and cerci supporting llorente. tevez on a free role where he can drift wide or go though middle. also allow him to build up plays with pogba and vidal supporting attack.

in order to succeed we need a 4 man back line/ tired of this 352. I want to see that only in serie a

 

[alexjuventino]

Probably 4-3-1-2

4-3-3 is impossible, and should die out

If we are going to switch to a 4-3-1-2 we might aswell just stay with the 3-5-2

 

[rakib567]

Probably 4-3-1-2

4-3-3 is impossible, and should die out

I like that as well. Someone like kagawa would make a great buy adding tonnes of creativity. then if we buy a proper leftback then we can also puch asamoah in CM.


Vidal(rossi)----Pirlo(marchisio)----Pogba(asamoah)

---------------Kagawa(pereyra or pogba)

-----Llorente(immobile)----Tevez(menez/cerci)

 

[Hydde]

First one, but I'd rather have Di Maria and cash than Coentrao / Morata. So Di Maria and 35-40mln.

Llorente

Di Maria - Tevez - Cuadrado

Marchisio - Vidal
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With Asamoah as a LB, since I don't think a duo consisting him and Vidal would work, considering they are both box-to-box players and non of them have organizational skills.

These players are very hardworking and talented in the same time, IMO a very balanced team.

Menez for free as back-up player for LM/AM position, and if manage to sell some deadwood get a cheap RW.

This one is hardcore

I really really dont want to see him go.... mainly becaus i know ill get ripped by seeing him fulfil his destiny of being a world beater WITH REAL MADRID AND UNDER ZIDANE.

Seriously, that would fukin suck major balls.

But man.. on the other hand we would be potentially able to get so many good payers from that deal, maybe repeating how the Zidane sale worked for us, but this time we will maybe be able to win the CL instead of being runner ups.

One major reason that peeps ignore, and that s0meone mentioned earlier, is that we need to take in account the Financial factor of things. Its no secret that Agnelli and Marotta are doing their best to balance the books and reach revenues.... and by selling pogs...we would get a shitload of money or/and players..... If we manage the money we can even save some money in the mercato and use it to cover more expenses in our road to have a book balanced.

Still---- i seriously do not want to see Pogs leaving us..... but i hate to admit that practically all the pieces are setting themselves for a sale....and i hate it. I hate that madrid will deprive us for a world beater of his magnitude...AGAIN.

When Zidane was sold.... i was like this "..." from turning my back to Juve and support real. My idol was him and i followed Juventus for him. I was a pill tough to swallow....it still burns till today. But i never liked real madrid, i despised them... so i stood witht the team i liked.

Then the dude went on to command madrid to CL glory ......a task he failed royally with us....
fuk man how i despise those fukers.....

 

[Zacheryah]

This one is hardcore

I really really dont want to see him go.... mainly becaus i know ill get ripped by seeing him fulfil his destiny of being a world beater WITH REAL MADRID AND UNDER ZIDANE.

Seriously, that would fukin suck major balls.

But man.. on the other hand we would be potentially able to get so many good payers from that deal, maybe repeating how the Zidane sale worked for us, but this time we will maybe be able to win the CL instead of being runner ups.

One major reason that peeps ignore, and that s0meone mentioned earlier, is that we need to take in account the Financial factor of things. Its no secret that Agnelli and Marotta are doing their best to balance the books and reach revenues.... and by selling pogs...we would get a shitload of money or/and players..... If we manage the money we can even save some money in the mercato and use it to cover more expenses in our road to have a book balanced.

Still---- i seriously do not want to see Pogs leaving us..... but i hate to admit that practically all the pieces are setting themselves for a sale....and i hate it. I hate that madrid will deprive us for a world beater of his magnitude...AGAIN.

When Zidane was sold.... i was like this "..." from turning my back to Juve and support real. My idol was him and i followed Juventus for him. I was a pill tough to swallow....it still burns till today. But i never liked real madrid, i despised them... so i stood witht the team i liked.

Then the dude went on to command madrid to CL glory ......a task he failed royally with us....
fuk man how i despise those fukers.....

He didnt fail anything, he's far to young to be carrying such burden. Our defence however, thats something else.

Furthermore, whilst this formation is nice, its not more creative then our current formation. Might aswel stick to 352 then.

I like that as well. Someone like kagawa would make a great buy adding tonnes of creativity. then if we buy a proper leftback then we can also puch asamoah in CM.


Vidal(rossi)----Pirlo(marchisio)----Pogba(asamoah)

---------------Kagawa(pereyra or pogba)

-----Llorente(immobile)----Tevez(menez/cerci)

Kagawa wouldnt make it worthwhile going 4312. We'd be better off with 352 then

4312 only becomes interesting (and very much actually) when we get Oscar for Pogba

 

[Joe]

All I've read all day is that Pogba knows he can earn a lot more elsewhere and is open to moves this summer. He really prefers to go to Real Madrid.

 

[zizinho]

Kagawa wouldnt make it worthwhile going 4312. We'd be better off with 352 then

4312 only becomes interesting (and very much actually) when we get Oscar for Pogba

or we get Hamsik/Arda Turan/Kroos...

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All I've read all day is that Pogba knows he can earn a lot more elsewhere and is open to moves this summer. He really prefers to go to Real Madrid.

who he prefers is irrelevant as he will stay here for a long time.

 

[alexjuventino]

All I've read all day is that Pogba knows he can earn a lot more elsewhere and is open to moves this summer. He really prefers to go to Real Madrid.

Di Maria + Coentrao :ID:

 

[Joe]

Marotta always says its the will of the player that initiates transfers. If Pogba wants to leave, he's going to leave.

Not that I want it to happen, but if it were I hope we play hard ball with Real Madrid (or whoever comes chasing Pogba).

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Di Maria + Coentrao :ID:

Many sources say Di Maria/Morata + cash.

My dream is Di Maria, but I can't see us being able to lure him. I wish though.