Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2014-15) (80 Viewers)

[alexjuventino]

we have a world class midfield but it doesn't mean that they have to do all of the work. for example vidal has the job to cover defensive midfield, help the wingbacks, defend against overlapping fullbacks, help to shut down wingers (ie Ronaldo in Madrid game) plus help to attack ans support tevez and llorente. I think that this is too much for a midfielder even if he has the stamina of high level. a pair of wingers will help vidal in doing his job plus will open up the defence which will help both vidal and pogba to score more goals


352

Defensive

litchsteiner barzagli bonucci chielini asamoah
-------------vidal pirlo pogba
--------------tevez llorente

Attacking

-----------bonucci
barzagli ------------chielini
-------------pirlo

Litc Vidal ---------Pogba Asa
--------Tevez Llorente



433

Defensive

Litch Barzagli Chiellini Asa
RW Vidal Pirlo Pogba LW
--------Llorente

Attacking

----Barzagli --------Chiellini
---------------Pirlo
Litch ---Vidal ------Pogba-----Asa
-------RW---Llorente---LW



433 is a lot more aggressive, less work for box to box midfielders, overlapping fullbacks to stretch the defence. overall better.

You do have to realize Rakib that although we could possibly switch formations why would we drop any of the players from the starting 11 when they have earned there place? The only one really that could be debatable would be Bonucci but he has been solid lately.

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Tevez is the leagues top scorer, why would we drop him?

 

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[rakib567]

You do have to realize Rakib that although we could possibly switch formations why would we drop any of the players from the starting 11 when they have earned there place? The only one really that could be debatable would be Bonucci but he has been solid lately.

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Tevez is the leagues top scorer, why would we drop him?

true that's a dilemma but what conte needs to rotate frequently. look at Bayern for example, nearly every match the change the combination of their squad ie playing muller winger or fake 9 or playing gotze as attackind midfield or wing or fake 9 etc..

plentyof rotation between wingers, midfield and defenders should be necessary for keeping our best 11 as fit as possible for champions league. one day we could bench llorente and play tevez as the main striker. one day we can play him on the wings or another day as a SS in a 424. another day we could play him in a 352 or another day we could bench him and play with proper wingers. it's all about rotation. same concept applied for most players except the likes of pirlo llorente etc...

 

[Enron]

Midfielders will most likely work harder in a 4-3-3. In addition to their normal duties of attack and defend, they also have to cover the fullbacks when they overlap, they don't get the support of wing backs. If they're box to box, then need to make runs into the area. If it's a regista or DM they need to cover for the fullbacks as well as the box to box midfielder. Also, if we're talking about Juve with a midfield 3 of Pirlo, Pogba, and Vidal you're going to only want one of the box to box midfielders at a time bombing forward (you really don't want pirlo covering counters by himself). That said, I think with some discipline or a better DM/regista Juve could have a great midfield to run the 4-3-3. The only question is to they have the defense and the forwards to do it.

As for the formations... You're thinking as if players would attack in perfect lines of three. That's how you want to defend. In reality the players will go to space when on attack moving around passing the ball looking for chances. Add in pressing, not all 4-3-3's press, and that midfield is going to be working hard.

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You do have to realize Rakib that although we could possibly switch formations why would we drop any of the players from the starting 11 when they have earned there place? The only one really that could be debatable would be Bonucci but he has been solid lately.

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Tevez is the leagues top scorer, why would we drop him?

You could play him on the right, have him tuck in close to Llorente with Licht supporting and hope the other team is slow on the counter.

 

[rakib567]

Midfielders will most likely work harder in a 4-3-3. In addition to their normal duties of attack and defend, they also have to cover the fullbacks when they overlap, they don't get the support of wing backs. If they're box to box, then need to make runs into the area. If it's a regista or DM they need to cover for the fullbacks as well as the box to box midfielder. Also, if we're talking about Juve with a midfield 3 of Pirlo, Pogba, and Vidal you're going to only want one of the box to box midfielders at a time bombing forward (you really don't want pirlo covering counters by himself). That said, I think with some discipline or a better DM/regista Juve could have a great midfield to run the 4-3-3. The only question is to they have the defense and the forwards to do it.

As for the formations... You're thinking as if players would attack in perfect lines of three. That's how you want to defend. In reality the players will go to space when on attack moving around passing the ball looking for chances. Add in pressing, not all 4-3-3's press, and that midfield is going to be working hard.

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in a 433 when we defend it becomes of 451 so midfielders don't need to defend for fullbacks because there as wingers that can defend them (just like rybery and robben defended last season at Bayern). instead midfielders will ONLY be resposable for attacking midfielders and pressing plus their own attacking. in a 352 we don't have wingers so vidal and pogba need to drift wide to cover the fullback too (same applied with 4312).

when 433 attacks it becomes a 4141 and it's true that if we use pirlo as holding we will be vulnerable for counters but if a team plays counterattacking football then I would use marchisio as holding midfield as he would help to break those counters before they arrive. if we face a more ball possession based team then I would use pirlo to have more control in the game. in the real Madrid game we used vidal pirlo and pogba but real Madrid used modric Alonso and kedira so there was no aatacking midfielder. if they used isco then I would have put marchisio as holding to break him down.

 

[Daddi]

Buffon
Lichty barzagli Chiellini Coentrao
Vidal Pirlo Asamoah
Sanchez Tevez Di Maria

I'd never stop fapping if we build the team like this

 

[petersmit]

You sold Pogba and Conte for that kind of money? because Pogba won't be enough...

 

[ALC]

we have a world class midfield but it doesn't mean that they have to do all of the work. for example vidal has the job to cover defensive midfield, help the wingbacks, defend against overlapping fullbacks, help to shut down wingers (ie Ronaldo in Madrid game) plus help to attack ans support tevez and llorente. I think that this is too much for a midfielder even if he has the stamina of high level. a pair of wingers will help vidal in doing his job plus will open up the defence which will help both vidal and pogba to score more goals


352

Defensive

litchsteiner barzagli bonucci chielini asamoah
-------------vidal pirlo pogba
--------------tevez llorente

Attacking

-----------bonucci
barzagli ------------chielini
-------------pirlo

Litc Vidal ---------Pogba Asa
--------Tevez Llorente



433

Defensive

Litch Barzagli Chiellini Asa
RW Vidal Pirlo Pogba LW
--------Llorente

Attacking

----Barzagli --------Chiellini
---------------Pirlo
Litch ---Vidal ------Pogba-----Asa
-------RW---Llorente---LW



433 is a lot more aggressive, less work for box to box midfielders, overlapping fullbacks to stretch the defence. overall better.

:lmao: 4 formations in one post. I love it

 

[Dostoevsky]

Liverpool and Manchester want Candreva as well. @Enron

 

[Daddi]

Liverpool and Manchester want Candreva as well. @Enron

I knew not purchasing him would be a mistake

 

[Bianconero81]

Hardly. We are talking about motherfucking Candreva here.

ItalJuve: Cerri and Mauri from Parma

I am all for Italian quality, not scraps

 

[Enron]

Liverpool and Manchester want Candreva as well. @Enron

We're not interested in Candreva.

 

[Sadomin]

I knew not purchasing him would be a mistake

1) He wouldn't start for us.
2) He would cost us over 15 m, both today and back then.
3) Neither Liverpool nor United is stronger than us right now.
4) He didn't show enough during his loan spell here.

 

[zizinho]

Buffon
Lichty barzagli Chiellini Coentrao
Vidal Pirlo Asamoah
Sanchez Tevez Di Maria

I'd never stop fapping if we build the team like this

not worth losing Pogba

 

[LiquidPLP]

1) He wouldn't start for us.
2) He would cost us over 15 m, both today and back then.
3) Neither Liverpool nor United is stronger than us right now.
4) He didn't show enough during his loan spell here.

He's not worth 15 atm too. He's a white version of Biabiany; An athlete without brain.

 

[zizinho]

1) He wouldn't start for us.
2) He would cost us over 15 m, both today and back then.
3) Neither Liverpool nor United is stronger than us right now.
4) He didn't show enough during his loan spell here.

1. he would be a great bench option other than these we have now
2. maybe we can include quags and pay about 5M or so
3. true
4. he was good here and one of the few i liked

 

[Vialli_92]

Ok this should be doable this Summer.

Handanovic
Lahm----T.Silva----Barzagli----Marcelo
Martinez
Vidal---Pogba
Messi------Ibra-----Ronaldo

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

Nah we'd need to sell 50% of Padoin to be able to afford that

Also Messi's overrated anyway, South American Giovinco

 

[petersmit]

Padoin

 

[Vialli_92]

Nah we'd need to sell 50% of Padoin to be able to afford that

Also Messi's overrated anyway, South American Giovinco

We sell them 50% of Padoin and and full ownership of Bonucci and we can afford it.

 

[The Curr]

Ok this should be doable this Summer.

Handanovic
Lahm----T.Silva----Barzagli----Marcelo
Martinez
Vidal---Pogba
Messi------Ibra-----Ronaldo

Come on, be realistic.

It's Conte, so it'd be:

Handanovic
Silva - Martinez - Barzagli
Ronaldo- Vidal - Pogba - Lahm - Marcelo
Messi - Ibra​