Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2014-15) (74 Viewers)

[Vlad]

When I say they're on par with us I'm strictly talking about modern times I.E the last several years.

And yeah we're in no position to take key Dortmund players nowadays. We're handicapped by the backwards league we're in and the World wide negative reputation it's had since Calciopoli I.E corruption, retirement home, empty stadia etc.

They achieved better results in CL, while Juve has been more successful in domestic competition. If we look only at the results in the last few years I'll agree with you, but everything else, our illustrious history, worldwide fan base, appeal, etc.. goes in our favor. Juve is a massive club, one of the greats, Dortmund can't be put in the same line. Germans have reached their peak few years ago, and since then some of their best players have been leaving the club. They are unable to keep their most prized assets, unlike us.

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I'd say they're better than us considering their European performances.

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[Nostradamus]

They achieved better results in CL, while Juve has been more successful in domestic competition. If we look only at the results in the last few years I'll agree with you, but everything else, our illustrious history, worldwide fan base, appeal, etc.. goes in our favor. Juve is a massive club, one of the greats, Dortmund can't be put in the same line. Germans have reached their peak few years ago, and since then some of their best players have been leaving the club. They are unable to keep their most prized assets, unlike us.

I am pretty sure, the GERMANS Hummels and Reus dont give a flying fuck about ur worldwide fan base our illustrious history. They r at a German Top club, that plays exciting football in prob the most exciting stadium of Europe. Juve cannot even pay significantly more money. Its like saying Dortmund should buy Vidal now and Pogba next summer..the chances would be the same..ZERO. Its pure delusion to think that.

The Germans have reached their peak sentence is the most funny one I have read since a long time. I cannot even count the amout of young talent coming through the ranks..its just the start. The Bundesliga making progress every single year, whereas the Serie A is declining rapidly and especially the Germans couldnt care less about a league with empty stadiums, defensive stone age tactics and all top players leaving as soon as possible. Dortmund is able to keep their players, unlike the contract is ending or they have clauses..Reus is the last player with such a clause and I can guanantee u, that he would stay at Dortmund for the rest of his career before moving to Juventus.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

OH NOW BVB IS BETTER THAN JUVENTUS

 

[Klin]

 

[Vlad]

I am pretty sure, the GERMANS Hummels and Reus dont give a flying fuck about ur worldwide fan base our illustrious history. They r at a German Top club, that plays exciting football in prob the most exciting stadium of Europe. Juve cannot even pay significantly more money. Its like saying Dortmund should buy Vidal now and Pogba next summer..the chances would be the same..ZERO. Its pure delusion to think that.

The Germans have reached their peak sentence is the most funny one I have read since a long time. I cannot even count the amout of young talent coming through the ranks..its just the start. The Bundesliga making progress every single year, whereas the Serie A is declining rapidly and especially the Germans couldnt care less about a league with empty stadiums, defensive stone age tactics and all top players leaving as soon as possible. Dortmund is able to keep their players, unlike the contract is ending or they have clauses..Reus is the last player with such a clause and I can guanantee u, that he would stay at Dortmund for the rest of his career before moving to Juventus.

I wasn't referring to Reus or Hummels, but merely comparing the two clubs, and Juve arguably is more important in European football.

In the last two years Dortmund has lost Gotze and Lewandovski, chances are that Reus will be gone next summer, as Dortmund isn't top club by any means. They cannot offer big salaries and neither can they guarantee trophies. My bet is that his next destination will be Bayern, since both Robben and Ribery are becoming old and who'll be better to replace them than a relatively young German champion.

As for the youngsters to replace them, we'll see about that. Clubs that continually keep losing their best players, eventually find themselves in difficult position. It is impossible every year to integrate 2-3 young players that will be capable of adequately replacing previous top players.

Rapidly declining? gtfo Now that's a funny shit. In the last few years we've seen the decline of Milan and Inter, but clubs like Napoli, Roma, Fiorentina have invested heavily and improved their teams, became more competitive. Once the big boys return and it is bound to happen at one point, considering their potential to generate between 200-300m revenues per year, Serie A will regain its place. You're deluded if you believe that German clubs in general have more tradition or appeal in the world. Borderline madness.

 

[am0110]

Man.. I always hated Bundesliga because its supporters look like german nationalsocialists when defending it, even on bosnian forums you get to talk with the wierd breed of deutchland uber ales members.

 

[Vlad]

Man.. I always hated Bundesliga because its supporters look like german nationalsocialists when defending it, even on bosnian forums you get to talk with the wierd breed of deutchland uber ales members.

You see, because of the condescending pricks like that guy I'll always prefer Serie A clubs.

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OH NOW BVB IS BETTER THAN JUVENTUS

 

[GrecoJuve]

''The Germans'' ''Germans'' and their Budesliga which is more predictable than Greek league.

 

[blacknwhite]

I am pretty sure, the GERMANS Hummels and Reus dont give a flying $#@! about ur worldwide fan base our illustrious history. They r at a German Top club, that plays exciting football in prob the most exciting stadium of Europe. Juve cannot even pay significantly more money. Its like saying Dortmund should buy Vidal now and Pogba next summer..the chances would be the same..ZERO. Its pure delusion to think that.

The Germans have reached their peak sentence is the most funny one I have read since a long time. I cannot even count the amout of young talent coming through the ranks..its just the start. The Bundesliga making progress every single year, whereas the Serie A is declining rapidly and especially the Germans couldnt care less about a league with empty stadiums, defensive stone age tactics and all top players leaving as soon as possible. Dortmund is able to keep their players, unlike the contract is ending or they have clauses.

Thats not true.

Juve pays higher wages than BVB. BVBs top-earner are guys like Reus or Hummels with wages 2,5 mio. euro net (5 mio. eur gross - thats the german way to illustrate salaries).

You can compare the wages of the complete staff too. Just look at the financial reports of Juve and Dortmund:
BVB 12/13: 99,8 Mio. Euro (gross)
Juve 12/13: 165 Mio. Euro (gross)

Because of the low wages Dortmund is going to lose all his star players year after year. Reus (buy-out clause 25 Mio. EUR in 2015) and Gundogan are the next ones.

I think that many guys overestimate the financial power in the bundesliga. The only financial powerhouse in germany is bayern munich. dortmund isnt able to pay high wages, Schalke is poor as shit and heavily in debt (for KPBs 10 mio. fee they had to raise a bank loan).

Leverkusen is a small club, and so is Wolfsburg. Both teams are owned by rich companies (bayer and VW) but both clubs are restricted by FFP as well.

the only difference between Serie A and Bundesliga is the fact, that bundesliga has one financial powerhouse and serie A has none at the moment. the last financial powerhouses in italy were the multi-million-dollar-teams of berlusconi and moratti.

 

[Vlad]

Thats not true.

Juve pays higher wages than BVB. BVBs top-earner are guys like Reus or Hummels with wages 2,5 mio. euro net (5 mio. eur gross - thats the german way to illustrate salaries).

You can compare the wages of the complete staff too. Just look at the financial reports of Juve and Dortmund:
BVB 12/13: 99,8 Mio. Euro (gross)
Juve 12/13: 165 Mio. Euro (gross)

Because of the low wages Dortmund is going to lose all his star players year after year. Reus (buy-out clause 25 Mio. EUR in 2015) and Gundogan are the next ones.

I think that many guys overestimate the financial power in the bundesliga. The only financial powerhouse in germany is bayern munich. dortmund isnt able to pay high wages, Schalke is poor as shit and heavily in debt (for KPBs 10 mio. fee they had to raise a bank loan).

Leverkusen is a small club, and so is Wolfsburg. Both teams are owned by rich companies (bayer and VW) but both clubs are restricted by FFP as well.

the only difference between Serie A and Bundesliga is the fact, that bundesliga has one financial powerhouse and serie A has none at the moment. the last financial powerhouses in italy were the multi-million-dollar-teams of berlusconi and moratti.

I didn't even get to that, but that Nostradamus guy is hilariously clueless when it comes to Serie A or Juve. Juve can't pay more than Dortmund fucking ignorant prick.

 

[Zacheryah]

the defending at fullback that needs a completely different positional mindset with defending at center back is a common error for fans, @Zacheryah. It is completely different and it is NOT a skill Chiellini possesses. That's why 70% of the fullbacks can defend better at fullback(!) than Chiellini.
Plus good luck playing your sitting deep game and trying to score with a team that couldn't counter even if their life depended on it...

I agree it requires a different positional mindset. But for Chiellini this isnt the case, as he has that aswel, thanks to beeing a leftback untill the age of 24ish. Back then he had excellent defensive qualities. He still has but prefers to play centrally.

The thing is offcourse, if he plays the role once or twice per season, his positioning wont be as good as it can get offcourse, but its still fine and the other qualities remain.


Sitting deep when under pressure, means alot of space up front. However, if a team is depending on its fullbacks to be able to set up a counterattack, then something is severely wrong with the offensive midfielders.

if Juventus deploys a back4, it means we'll be using wingers or trequartista. As it stands, we got pretty damn fast options there, so i wouldnt worry about those counters to much, and under Allegri, i can see us become quite good at it

 

[Cheesio]

We really need a creative player in this team, someone like Shaqiri would be perfect, we have no player capable of beating his man one on one, that's why i am amazed how our management are focusing on depth when there is some glaring needs in our starting 11 that need to be resolved.

PS: 30 mil for Bonnucci and Ogbonna

 

[chester]

PS: 30 mil for Bonnucci and Ogbonna

Better then 50+mil for Luiz.
I am not saying they are great defenders, but when we bought them, they were doing good for their clubs and they looked like promising signings.

 

[j0ker]

We really need a creative player in this team, someone like Shaqiri would be perfect, we have no player capable of beating his man one on one, that's why i am amazed how our management are focusing on depth when there is some glaring needs in our starting 11 that need to be resolved.

PS: 30 mil for Bonnucci and Ogbonna

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[Zacheryah]

We really need a creative player in this team, someone like Shaqiri would be perfect, we have no player capable of beating his man one on one, that's why i am amazed how our management are focusing on depth when there is some glaring needs in our starting 11 that need to be resolved.

PS: 30 mil for Bonnucci and Ogbonna

Coman

 

[Cheesio]

Better then 50+mil for Luiz.
I am not saying they are great defenders, but when we bought them, they were doing good for their clubs and they looked like promising signings.

As we are thought everyday in this forum by some members, we don't have money, our budget is limited, so when you are spending a large chunk of that budget better be on someone who's worth it, not on some backup level players.

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Name me one ?

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Coman

Lol, We are going to ruin the boy's future playing him as a SS, and if you think he is going to get significant playing time you are delusional

 

[j0ker]

Tevez, Pogba, Coman

 

[chester]

As we are thought everyday in this forum by some members, we don't have money, our budget is limited, so when you are spending a large chunk of that budget better be on someone who's worth it, not on some backup level players.

Like I said, they were doing good for their clubs, as far as I know, Marotta nor anyone else has the possibility to look into the future if the showed form will continue when signing a player.
For what you know, they could have the ones being sold to PSG for 50MEuro. Afterwards, it is always easy to critise decisions.

 

[Cheesio]

Tevez, Pogba, Coman

Tevez can only lose his man if there is ton of space in front of him and he looks to use his pace or when faking a shot, Pogba is capable from time to time to the occasional dribble but the majority of the times it's in the middle of the pitch and far away from the danger zone, when i'm talking about beating someone one on one, i'm talking about someone like Camoranesi, a player who gets the ball and go look for the defender and beast him easily without having to outrun him, wich creates havoc and then we can create something, our offense is so predictibale, look for Pirlo...

 

[chester]

Tevez can only lose his man if there is ton of space in front of him and he looks to use his pace or when faking a shot, Pogba is capable from time to time to the occasional dribble but the majority of the times it's in the middle of the pitch and far away from the danger zone, when i'm talking about beating someone one on one, i'm talking about someone like Camoranesi, a player who gets the ball and go look for the defender and beast him easily without having to outrun him, wich creates havoc and then we can create something, our offense is so predictibale, look for Pirlo...

And yet, somehow, this predictable team managed to win SerieA 3 times in a row with record braking figures. Surely, it can't be that bad.