Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2012-13) (31 Viewers)

[baggio]

Never been a big fan of Berba. I'm going to have to say if JoJo comes, I rather we get Destro than Paxzini if we are bound to lose Matri. In agreement with MV there. Unfortunately, if Pazzo comes, it's very unlikely he will be replaced next season by Higuain or the like. I feel like we've blown is striker situation so over the top that we ourselves are confused about what we really want. By we, I mean the club.

As for the baby steps, that's what i would agree with last year, but this year, we need to make a telling blow in the market, not only to announce our arrival back in the big league. We are without doubt, going to be flag bearers for the league for the next 2-3 years at the very least and I don't think we should discount that fact. Currently, as league champions, the best reinforcements would be substantial upgrades over what we have. If JoJo is to arrive, I see our scoring patterns to be very similar to last year with a bulk of the goals coming from our high pressing five man mid. It might carry us domestically, but I can't see us doing the damage in the CL, if we don't get that A grade targetman.

 

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[Xperd]

Money is the priority nowadays afterall

 

[Bianconero81]

Never been a big fan of Berba. I'm going to have to say if JoJo comes, I rather we get Destro than Paxzini if we are bound to lose Matri. In agreement with MV there. Unfortunately, if Pazzo comes, it's very unlikely he will be replaced next season by Higuain or the like. I feel like we've blown is striker situation so over the top that we ourselves are confused about what we really want. By we, I mean the club.

As for the baby steps, that's what i would agree with last year, but this year, we need to make a telling blow in the market, not only to announce our arrival back in the big league. We are without doubt, going to be flag bearers for the league for the next 2-3 years at the very least and I don't think we should discount that fact. Currently, as league champions, the best reinforcements would be substantial upgrades over what we have. If JoJo is to arrive, I see our scoring patterns to be very similar to last year with a bulk of the goals coming from our high pressing five man mid. It might carry us domestically, but I can't see us doing the damage in the CL, if we don't get that A grade targetman.

Believe in JoJo

 

[lewey-juventino]

Am I the only 1 that actually rates Pazzini I mean if he's coming as back up or to play with a big name ss like jojo its a good deal. he was a hit at fiorentina a hit at samp it was really inter that ruined him. i can see pirlo feeding him passes from the centre and him just nodding them home effortlessley

 

[Bianconero81]

I don't rate him, but I don't think he is shit. I'm ok with him coming here (I won't be elated or doing cartwheels tho ), provided he isn't the main option, and given that we get an upgrade over him next season.

 

[KB824]

Am I the only 1 that actually rates Pazzini I mean if he's coming as back up or to play with a big name ss like jojo its a good deal. he was a hit at fiorentina a hit at samp it was really inter that ruined him. i can see pirlo feeding him passes from the centre and him just nodding them home effortlessley

You're not the only one that rates him. I do as well.

Would I be over the moon if they got him? Not really, to tell you the truth.

However, prior to last year, he was coming off of 2 consecutive 20+ goal seasons with Sampdoria/Inter. And before that, he had 15 goals in 23 matches when he first joined Samp.

It's very difficult to judge a player's production at Inter last season due to the numerous tactical changes, and Sneijder for some reason, not featuring at all last yeaer. How it is that arguably their best all around player didn't see much time on the pitch even after his injury spell was over is beyond me, but that is Inter's problem, not Juve's.


The key to Pazzini is if their is ever a player that requires a fantasista type player next to him, it is Pazzini. Look at what he accomplished with Cassano, and look what he did when Sneijder was playing regularly.

Partnering him with Jovetic could allow him to regain the scoring touch that he had a couple of years ago.

I know that there are a lot of Matri fanboys out there, but if you look at their career paths, Pazzini has been a better goal scorer. He's more clinical in front of goal than Matri.

 

[ZoSo]

You're not the only one that rates him. I do as well.

Would I be over the moon if they got him? Not really, to tell you the truth.

However, prior to last year, he was coming off of 2 consecutive 20+ goal seasons with Sampdoria/Inter. And before that, he had 15 goals in 23 matches when he first joined Samp.

It's very difficult to judge a player's production at Inter last season due to the numerous tactical changes, and Sneijder for some reason, not featuring at all last yeaer. How it is that arguably their best all around player didn't see much time on the pitch even after his injury spell was over is beyond me, but that is Inter's problem, not Juve's.


The key to Pazzini is if their is ever a player that requires a fantasista type player next to him, it is Pazzini. Look at what he accomplished with Cassano, and look what he did when Sneijder was playing regularly.

Partnering him with Jovetic could allow him to regain the scoring touch that he had a couple of years ago.

I know that there are a lot of Matri fanboys out there, but if you look at their career paths, Pazzini has been a better goal scorer. He's more clinical in front of goal than Matri.

He's only scored more than 20 once. 2009-10..21 in 39.

 

[lewey-juventino]

people only rate matri ahead of pazzini cause he's got the girlfriend the looks and he plays for juve of course

 

[KB824]

He's only scored more than 20 once. 2009-10..21 in 39.

In all competitions he had consecutive 20+ goal seasons 2 years in a row

 

[Bianconero81]

Pazzo Il Cazzo isn't horrible (I mean we had Borriello FFS), but I'd rather JoJo + Destro. However getting Jovetic alone will leave me in a state of elation and euphoria, that regardless of who the 2'nd striker/cf is, I'd still be satisfied and content.

 

[ZoSo]

In all competitions he had consecutive 20+ goal seasons 2 years in a row

ah, my bad. 2010-11

 

[TheLaz]

Never been a big fan of Berba. I'm going to have to say if JoJo comes, I rather we get Destro than Paxzini if we are bound to lose Matri. In agreement with MV there. Unfortunately, if Pazzo comes, it's very unlikely he will be replaced next season by Higuain or the like. I feel like we've blown is striker situation so over the top that we ourselves are confused about what we really want. By we, I mean the club.

As for the baby steps, that's what i would agree with last year, but this year, we need to make a telling blow in the market, not only to announce our arrival back in the big league. We are without doubt, going to be flag bearers for the league for the next 2-3 years at the very least and I don't think we should discount that fact. Currently, as league champions, the best reinforcements would be substantial upgrades over what we have. If JoJo is to arrive, I see our scoring patterns to be very similar to last year with a bulk of the goals coming from our high pressing five man mid. It might carry us domestically, but I can't see us doing the damage in the CL, if we don't get that A grade targetman.

"Targetman" is such an old school term... But allright. If Jovetic (who could be schooled to a more CF-kind-of-role like Suarez) isn't dangerous enough up front, then who do you suggest? It might have passed you but don't you see what the management is doing by signing tons and yet tons of young players for the future? Boakye could score just as many goals or perhaps even more then Destro in the next season and if so - we are dealing with a very promising player. Boakye did net it two times in yesterdays training match where someone like Matri only netted one. Not that he's better or anything, it's just a good sign that he is actually that good for a 19-year old.

I saw an interview with Conte this morning where he spoke of the proposted big transfer. What he basicly said was that Juventus will not look at the "status" of a player when he said that they don't look at a "big salary" player but rather a great footballer. By that, he means that a player who Conte might like (Jovetic for instance) is a top footballer but not a top earner. These are the kind of player we're looking for so I believe there are multiple candidates out there for the "big signing" position. Last years' "big signing" was Vidal. Top player on a modest salary. Imagine what a club like Real Madrid would have to pay for Vidal now!! 25-30m €? In that case the RM fans would consider him a "world class footballer" because they paid that much for the player. Once the player comes cheap or has a low salary only few consider him a top class footballer..

Zlatan is the worlds' best because he earns the most - something like that..

 

[lewey-juventino]

Pazzo Il Cazzo isn't horrible (I mean we had Borriello FFS), but I'd rather JoJo + Destro. However getting Jovetic alone will leave me in a state of elation and euphoria, that regardless of who the 2'nd striker/cf is, I'd still be satisfied and content.

the good thing about getting pazzini would mean if we give inter krasic we dont haveto pay anything and we get his wages off our wage bill. id say get pazzini but along the guidelines that he is not out top striker..... if he is id be very very worried

 

[ZoSo]

"Targetman" is such an old school term... But allright. If Jovetic (who could be schooled to a more CF-kind-of-role like Suarez) isn't dangerous enough up front, then who do you suggest? It might have passed you but don't you see what the management is doing by signing tons and yet tons of young players for the future? Boakye could score just as many goals or perhaps even more then Destro in the next season and if so - we are dealing with a very promising player. Boakye did net it two times in yesterdays training match where someone like Matri only netted one. Not that he's better or anything, it's just a good sign that he is actually that good for a 19-year old.

I saw an interview with Conte this morning where he spoke of the proposted big transfer. What he basicly said was that Juventus will not look at the "status" of a player when he said that they don't look at a "big salary" player but rather a great footballer. By that, he means that a player who Conte might like (Jovetic for instance) is a top footballer but not a top earner. These are the kind of player we're looking for so I believe there are multiple candidates out there for the "big signing" position. Last years' "big signing" was Vidal. Top player on a modest salary. Imagine what a club like Real Madrid would have to pay for Vidal now!! 25-30m €? In that case the RM fans would consider him a "world class footballer" because they paid that much for the player. Once the player comes cheap or has a low salary only few consider him a top class footballer..

Zlatan is the worlds' best because he earns the most - something like that..

 

[KB824]

ah, my bad. 2010-11

No worries, brother. He's not a horrible player by any means and this is certainly not a Borriello 2.0 all over again. With the right pieces around him he can find his scoring touch again. And if Juve managed to get JoJo, with everyone else on the squad, oh what pieces they would have.

Moments like this are a good time to get a good goal scorer coming off of a miserable year

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Pazzo Il Cazzo isn't horrible (I mean we had Borriello FFS), but I'd rather JoJo + Destro. However getting Jovetic alone will leave me in a state of elation and euphoria, that regardless of who the 2'nd striker/cf is, I'd still be satisfied and content.

So would I, B. So would I. And as much as I like Destro, I wouldn't be willing to shell out 16m for him (If that is what his going rate is) that price is more or less an indication of the dearth of Italian strikers in the game, more than his actual talent warranting such a price right now. I firmly believe that Destro is going to be a very good player someday, but that is simply too expensive

 

[Bianconero81]

---------- Post added 17.07.2012 at 19:23 ----------

No worries, brother. He's not a horrible player by any means and this is certainly not a Borriello 2.0 all over again. With the right pieces around him he can find his scoring touch again. And if Juve managed to get JoJo, with everyone else on the squad, oh what pieces they would have.

Moments like this are a good time to get a good goal scorer coming off of a miserable year

---------- Post added 17.07.2012 at 08:20 ----------



So would I, B. So would I. And as much as I like Destro, I wouldn't be willing to shell out 16m for him (If that is what his going rate is) that price is more or less an indication of the dearth of Italian strikers in the game, more than his actual talent warranting such a price right now. I firmly believe that Destro is going to be a very good player someday, but that is simply too expensive

Always the voice of reason Serge Your posts allow me to maintain my calm and composure

 

[KB824]

---------- Post added 17.07.2012 at 19:23 ----------



Always the voice of reason Serge Your posts allow me to maintain my calm and composure

There are only three players that prevent me from being calm and level headed, and that is Baggio, Alex, and JoJo.

Do you see a pattern here?

And I think that one of the main things that I always look at when it comes to players joining Juventus is not so much what they did in the very recent past, but how they would fit in Juve in the present and the future. In the case of Pazzini, I think that this could only work if JoJo were on board as well. As I said, no disrespect to his ultra-fine girlfriend, but Matri is not as clinical a striker as Pazzini.

And I have rooted hard for Matri ever since he came on board.

 

[ZoSo]

Ramirez?

 

[Bianconero81]

There are only three players that prevent me from being calm and level headed, and that is Baggio, Alex, and JoJo.

Do you see a pattern here?

And I think that one of the main things that I always look at when it comes to players joining Juventus is not so much what they did in the very recent past, but how they would fit in Juve in the present and the future. In the case of Pazzini, I think that this could only work if JoJo were on board as well. As I said, no disrespect to his ultra-fine girlfriend, but Matri is not as clinical a striker as Pazzini.

And I have rooted hard for Matri ever since he came on board.

Oh, and I definitely do see a pattern there; it'd have been even more obvious had we pried Del Piero away from the Purple Rats of La Viola as well

 

[KB824]

Ramirez?

I'm a big fan of gaston, no doubt about it, but I would take JoJo every day, all day, twice on Sunday and Jewish holidays over Gaston.

Also, I don't think that the way this team is constructed, that Gaston would offer more than JoJo would.

Watching Juve over this past season, their troubles would surface once Pirlo was throttled. there was really no one else to carry the play, so to speak.

JoJo is that type of player. Gaston is not. Not yet, anyway. He very well could be, but although Gaston is adept on the flank as well, he is capable of prducing more when he is in the center of the pitch, just like JoJo.


And to me, JoJo is simply a magical talent

---------- Post added 17.07.2012 at 08:33 ----------

Oh, and I definitely do see a pattern there; it'd have been even more obvious had we pried Del Piero away from the Purple Rats of La Viola as well

Well, I have to tell you something, and I think a bunch of people already knew this, but I always had a special place in my heart for Fiorentina. maybe it was because of the city itself, but I would say that it was more because of Baggio than anything else. I actually felt conflicted when Baggio was sold to juve.

That confliction lasted about 15 seconds, but still. JoJo being there reignited my interest in Fiorentina, and since history has a way of repeating itself, its time for JoJo to step up to the big goys, so that I can foget about Fiorentina for another decade

---------- Post added 17.07.2012 at 08:33 ----------

Oh, and I definitely do see a pattern there; it'd have been even more obvious had we pried Del Piero away from the Purple Rats of La Viola as well

Well, I have to tell you something, and I think a bunch of people already knew this, but I always had a special place in my heart for Fiorentina. maybe it was because of the city itself, but I would say that it was more because of Baggio than anything else. I actually felt conflicted when Baggio was sold to juve.

That confliction lasted about 15 seconds, but still. JoJo being there reignited my interest in Fiorentina, and since history has a way of repeating itself, its time for JoJo to step up to the big boys, so that I can forget about Fiorentina for another decade