Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2011-12) (85 Viewers)

[Hust]

Are you serious?!?! Take out Pepe and put on your boy Gio and lets see how far we would've went this season! Pepe was a MAJOR FACTOR to our success! How can you compare Padoin and co. to the mighty Pepedinho!

For one, he probably would have scored more goals. Wait, gio already has. For one, he probably would have had more assists. Wait, gio already has.

 

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[Fr3sh]

Playing for Parma is one thing and playing for Juve is another. Pepe has to face 10 men defense, while no team takes Gio\Parma seriously enough to park the bus on them.

 

[Trequartista]

For one, he probably would have scored more goals. Wait, gio already has. For one, he probably would have had more assists. Wait, gio already has.

If you don't take penalties into consideration, he has only one more goal and 3 more assists than Pepe.

 

[Fr3sh]

If you don't take penalties into consideration, he has only one more goal than Pepe and 3 more assists.

Get on Pepe's level son!

 

[Hust]

Playing for Parma is one thing and playing for Juve is another. Pepe has to face 10 men defense, while no team takes Gio\Parma seriously enough to park the bus on them.

Playing for Juve is one thing, playing for Parma is another. Giovinco has to be surrounded by mediocrity around him, while Pepe has the luxury to have more than capable players around him to can clean up his mess.

 

[Ahmed]

If you don't take penalties into consideration, he has only one more goal than Pepe and 3 more assists.

Oh dear.

 

[Gerd]

If you don't take penalties into consideration, he has only one more goal than Pepe and 3 more assists.

In a team where everybody plays for him and he doesn't run to help his team mates and opposing teams don't close in an 11 man defense

Edit : And i forgot to say that he plays closer to goal

 

[Trequartista]

Oh dear.

Yeah, I no longer hate Pepe. True story.

 

[Hust]

If you don't take penalties into consideration, he has only one more goal and 3 more assists than Pepe.

Still...more goals and more assists in a completely average to below average team. Pretty stunning statistic when you consider the calibre difference pepe has the luxury to be surround by. Gio doesn't get the protection that Pepe gets from Vidal & Licht.

 

[Trequartista]

Still...more goals and more assists in a completely average to below average team. Pretty stunning statistic when you consider the calibre difference pepe has the luxury to be surround by. Gio doesn't get the protection that Pepe gets from Vidal & Licht.

The whole team plays for him though.

 

[Ahmed]

Yea so stunning, need to lie down for a bit here.

 

[Fr3sh]

Playing for Juve is one thing, playing for Parma is another. Giovinco has to be surrounded by mediocrity around him, while Pepe has the luxury to have more than capable players around him to can clean up his mess.

LOOL!
Oh Hustini! You've got your back on the wall right now coming up with such weak arguments. Parma PLAY FOR Gio! Everything goes through Gio, while Pepe is simply another player in Juve. He is not the focal point like Gio is in Parma.
If the sad day that Gio comes back ever happens again, the little man will be in for a shock. He'll be just another player and not the center of the team and he won't be scoring as much nor will he be as decisive as he is in Parma.

 

[Hust]

The whole team plays for him though.

Point is, Pepe should have more assists, for example considering he has better players to work with . Gio doesn't yet still provides more for worse players yet has more assists and goals than Pepe.

Guaranteed...you put pepe in parma (where he belongs) and giovinco back here you will never see Pepe do what he has done so far this season.

 

[Fr3sh]

Still...more goals and more assists in a completely average to below average team. Pretty stunning statistic when you consider the calibre difference pepe has the luxury to be surround by. Gio doesn't get the protection that Pepe gets from Vidal & Licht.

pepe has to face teams who park the bus...gio doesn't.

 

[Hust]

LOOL!
Oh Hustini! You've got your back on the wall right now coming up with such weak arguments. Parma PLAY FOR Gio! Everything goes through Gio, while Pepe is simply another player in Juve. He is not the focal point like Gio is in Parma.
If the sad day that Gio comes back ever happens again, the little man will be in for a shock. He'll be just another player and not the center of the team and he won't be scoring as much nor will he be as decisive as he is in Parma.

My back will never be up against the wall when you literally give me the argument with statements like that. Of course everything goes through Gio as he is their best player and creative spark...he carries that team. And Pepe is EXACTLY what you said...just another player in Juve. That's all he ever will be.

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pepe has to face teams who park the bus...gio doesn't.

If that is your argument...then just.

And you say my back is up against to wall.

 

[Zacheryah]

I really admire his resilience and the effort he puts on the pitch despite is HUGE lack of skill. He's obviously not Juventus starter but every Juve fan should show some appreciation to this mediocre yet loveable player simply because he leaves his heart on the pitch EVERY TIME!

He is the example of the many hardworking players that have allways been the watercarryers at juventus

modern day tacchinardi, real fans love him

Medicore yes, loveable no.

We may as well all love Padoin, Pazienza and Giach because they "try hard".

yeah, you are a fucking fake fan that only appreciates the fancy and famous.

sorry hust, but you sound really cocky with what u said right there

We don't because an established top forward will demand Buffon's wages, at minimum, and it looks like that is what we can't afford.

Our only chance for a high earning player is if it's a loan deal. We can pay 20 or 25m eur for an attacker, but it will have to be someone like Jovetic, whose wages will be at Vidal's or Vucinic's level.

like allways a very good analysis from alen.


wage structure is important, offering a player higher then legend buffon, will cause problems in the dressing room or massive expectations, causing a player to fail. can happen to the best, like fernando torrez at chelsea

indeed, we need to be humble, and look at the possibilities. there are promising strikers that would fit juventus, and are at the right price.

like conte said, the price or name, doesnt neccecarely mean he's better. maybe jovetic could be better at juve then tevez or torrez or even dzeko ever could.

Read that also the 25m+sells but IMO that's not enough to be competitive in Serie A and CL.

We'd need at least 40m+sells.

25+sells is enough to be competitive to make it trough the groupstage, and challenge for top3

and exactly that, is what we are aiming at, to be financially healthy.


40mil+sales, makes it a scudetto challenge and perhaps quarterfinals with some luck

 

[B3N]

When you are using terms like "tap-ins" in a somewhat negative fashion, yes it does. If Dzeko scores tap ins and spectacular shots often, as you admitted you unwillingly killed your own argument.

How so? if anything when you say Trezeguet just shows that you indeed only have Dzeko's youtube videos in mind.

I know you're a big fan, don't wanna sound like a hater myself. At te end of the day, we're not much of choosers at the moment and just gotta follow what's come availabe our way in market. but I still stand to my intial post. if we have options rather see a better striker or jojo or a quality winger before Dzeko.

if you want a complete striker start collecting money and let's present in front of ferguson with a 50 milion euro offer and get rooney

Moggi is that you?

 

[Ahmed]

Im sure he would prefer that to being a Parma bandiera.

 

[B3N]

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[Fr3sh]

My back will never be up against the wall when you literally give me the argument with statements like that. Of course everything goes through Gio as he is their best player and creative spark...he carries that team. And Pepe is EXACTLY what you said...just another player in Juve. That's all he ever will be.

Dude...let me put this simply for you and clearly separate the sentences for you ok.

Everything goes through Gio...therefore he SHOULD be scoring more and assisting more.

Also his team does not face teams who park the bus because they are terrified of Gio's amazing skills.

If you take those two facts into account...it's ABSOLUTELY normal for Gio to score assist. In fact he should MORE!

While Pepe, the mediocre Pepe.

Has to face teams who park the bus, but still manages to pierce through.

The mediocre one is NOT the focal point of the team therefore he doesn't get the ball as much as Gio does in Parma.

Now take this facts into account and you'll see its NORMAL for Pepe to score less than Gio.

Understand umbre?