Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2011-12) (45 Viewers)

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Gerd

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Dec 25, 2011
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By my calculations we can raise €50m from player sales :D

Out (€50m):
Krasic €12m
Melo €12m
Ziegler €5m
Iaquinta €2m
Motta €2m
Malaka Martinez €5m
Pazienza €4m
Giovinco €8m
Borriello (end of loan)
Esti (End of loan)
Grosso (contract)
Manninger (contract)

In (€103m):
Kolarov/Cissokho €10m
Higuain €35m
Ramirez €10m
Half of Giacch €5m
Caceres €8m
Lavezzi €35m

Total outlay = €53m.
iaquinta for free
if you manage to sell martinez for 5 you are some kind of genius seeing as he is in bench at cesena
we are never gonna sell pazienza for 4
krasic i say 10 mil , but maybe he will go for more
half of giac 5 mil is a lot , 3 mil would be right

and why does everyone insist on overpricing lavezzi ?
he has a buyout clause of 31 milions he should not cost a euro above that
everybody keeps putting him in their list for 35 mil
 

Gerd

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Pazienza should be more than 4M, don't see why we can't get a decent price for him.
because he will not go to a big team who can afford to spend a lot
he will probably go to teams like udinese , fiorentina and i don't think they will spend more than 4 for a middfielder who next year will be 30 years old
 

ZoSo

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Jul 11, 2011
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I like that the Tuz community is blessed with so many accountants :p
I start my accounting degree on monday :touched:


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iaquinta for free
if you manage to sell martinez for 5 you are some kind of genius seeing as he is in bench at cesena
we are never gonna sell pazienza for 4
krasic i say 10 mil , but maybe he will go for more
half of giac 5 mil is a lot , 3 mil would be right

and why does everyone insist on overpricing lavezzi ?
he has a buyout clause of 31 milions he should not cost a euro above that
everybody keeps putting him in their list for 35 mil
Martinez will definetly leave for 3-5.
Iaquinta will leave for 1-2
Pazienza is easily worth 4-5.
Krasic = 12-15 easy.
We bought half of giacch for 4.5 I think so we're not gonna get the other half for less.

And good Lavezzi = 31 then not 35. Makes up for any small differences.
 

Gerd

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martinez was an of the errors of marotta together with motta , he was overpriced when he got him because his value was not 12 mil , he flopped at us and now he is in bench at cesena who is probably going to serie b , i don't see anyone giving us 4-5 mil
iaquinta has 1 years left of contract and next year will be 32 the absolute max we will get would be 1 mil in my oipinion
paz is 30 i don't see a midtable team giving us 5 for him
krasic flopped the second part of the season and in summer it will be 1 year that he stays at bench , nobody is giving 15 mil for him unless abramovic goes crazy as usual
we bought giac for 6 than sold his hafl back to cesena for 3 , so his other half should cost that 3 mil
 

ZoSo

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martinez was an of the errors of marotta together with motta , he was overpriced when he got him because his value was not 12 mil , he flopped at us and now he is in bench at cesena who is probably going to serie b , i don't see anyone giving us 4-5 mil
iaquinta has 1 years left of contract and next year will be 32 the absolute max we will get would be 1 mil in my oipinion
paz is 30 i don't see a midtable team giving us 5 for him
krasic flopped the second part of the season and in summer it will be 1 year that he stays at bench , nobody is giving 15 mil for him unless abramovic goes crazy as usual
we bought giac for 6 than sold his hafl back to cesena for 3 , so his other half should cost that 3 mil
Martinez will go for a minimum of at least 3. He was actually a decent player at Catania but we bought him for completely the wrong position.

Yes Iaquinta 1-2

Krasic is minimum of 10 but most likely 12+

Co-owns don't work like that. The highest bidder wins.
 

Gerd

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Martinez will go for a minimum of at least 3. He was actually a decent player at Catania but we bought him for completely the wrong position.

Yes Iaquinta 1-2

Krasic is minimum of 10 but most likely 12+

Co-owns don't work like that. The highest bidder wins.
that is the point here , he was a decent player at catania , still not worth the amaunt we paid him
now he is in a team that fight to stay in serie a and can't find place in the starting 11
who in their right mind would give a decent amount of money for him , 3 is appropriate althrough i doubt even that sum

i know how co-owns work , but you can reach an agrement for the price and you pay him 3 i doubt there will be any complications
there is no reason for cesena to go for the envelopes , they don't have any money to contrast us and if it goes bad they could get less for him or even get him and get stuck with him , i don't see much teams interested in giac
in co-owns it is almost always reached an agrement in favor of the big team , usually nobody wants to go for the envelopes

and for krasic
the highest bid for him in winter was 9 mil from zenit if i remember well and a loan offer from totenham
why should they offer more in summer , while he has rotten even more in bench
 

ZoSo

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that is the point here , he was a decent player at catania , still not worth the amaunt we paid him
now he is in a team that fight to stay in serie a and can't find place in the starting 11
who in their right mind would give a decent amount of money for him , 3 is appropriate althrough i doubt even that sum

i know how co-owns work , but you can reach an agrement to the price and you pay him 3 i doubt there will be any complications
there is no reason for cesena to go for the envelopes , they don't have any money to contrast us and if it goes bad they could get less for him or even get him and get stuck with him , i don't see much teams interested in giac
in co-owns it is almost always reached an agrement in favor of the big team , usually nobody wants to go for the envelopes

and for krasic
the highest bid for him in winter was 9 mil from zenit if i remember well and a loan offer from totenham
why should they offer more in summer , while he has rotten even more in bench
For Martinez and Krasic, form is temporary, class is permanent. The reason they were not used and didn't do well is because they don't/didn't suit our style of play and there were/are no positions for them in the formations.

If we bought half of Giacch for 4.5 and he's doing better than he did at Cesena here and we offer 3 and they buy him back for 4 they could sell him off again for another 5 or so. His other half is going to cost at minimum 4.
 

Gerd

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For Martinez and Krasic, form is temporary, class is permanent. The reason they were not used and didn't do well is because they don't/didn't suit our style of play and there were/are no positions for them in the formations.

If we bought half of Giacch for 4.5 and he's doing better than he did at Cesena here and we offer 3 and they buy him back for 4 they could sell him off again for another 5 or so. His other half is going to cost at minimum 4.
we bought half giac for 3 and as i said , if cesena buys him back who are the teams interested in buying giac for 8 mil ?
it could end both ways and they could get stuck with the player , why risk it when they have a sure plus if they sell him to us
and for krasic and martinez
class is permament , but neither of those 2 has any
and you are right that class is permanent , but unfortunately form dictates the price of players
to make an example
torres bought for 50 mil
now after 2 years his price is lowered thanks to injuries at first and his form ,performing bad ,being benched yesterday

class is permanent , but would you go and buy him foir 50 mil since class is permanent
in the torres case i would definetly go and buy him for 20-25 mil cause in my opinion he just need to change team to find himself and operations like these are those that show the ability of a great dg , but noone would pay him 50 mil and chelsea cannot ask that for him because it would be ridiculous

same for martinez and krasic
first overpriced , definetly not worth 12 mil and is in bench at cesena
second bought at the right price at the time , but performed good for first half of the first season and bad the second , and was benched for the whole second season
who would come and give 12-15 mil for krasic and 5 for martinez
 

ZoSo

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we bought half giac for 3 and as i said , if cesena buys him back who are the teams interested in buying giac for 8 mil ?
it could end both ways and they could get stuck with the player , why risk it when they have a sure plus if they sell him to us
and for krasic and martinez
class is permament , but neither of those 2 has any
and you are right that class is permanent , but unfortunately form dictates the price of players
to make an example
torres bought for 50 mil
now after 2 years his price is lowered thanks to injuries at first and his form ,performing bad ,being benched yesterday

class is permanent , but would you go and buy him foir 50 mil since class is permanent
in the torres case i would definetly go and buy him for 20-25 mil cause in my opinion he just need to change team to find himself and operations like these are those that show the ability of a great dg , but noone would pay him 50 mil and chelsea cannot ask that for him because it would be ridiculous

same for martinez and krasic
first overpriced , definetly not worth 12 mil and is in bench at cesena
second bought at the right price at the time , but performed good for first half of the first season and bad the second , and was benched for the whole second season
who would come and give 12-15 mil for krasic and 5 for martinez
TLDR. All I'm saying is that Martinez will go for minimum of 3, Giacch will cost minimum of 4 and Krasic should go for at least 12.
 
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