Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2011-12) (66 Viewers)

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Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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Although Cavani is the dream, I would love to see somebody in the talent and creativity of Lavezzi to create for him and not guys like Vucinic and Pepe. Of course he looks much better with Lavezzi giving him all these assists.
Here is an interesting info that denies what you just said and what I and probably most of us here thought....

Cavani scored 28 goals this season (19 in serie A, 5 in CL, 4 in Coppa)
Only 3 of those were assisted by Lavezzi (1 in serie A against Lecce, 1 in Coppa against Siena and 1 in CL against City).

8 of Cavani's goals were without an assist. 4 of those 8 were penalties, 1 was a free kick, 1 a solo action and 2 were scored after clearances from an opponent.
Maggio is the one who assists Cavani the most (4 assists). Lavezzi, Pandev, Dossena and Hamsik have 3 assists each. The remaining 4 goals were assisted by Gargano, Inler, Santana and Dzemaili.

P.S: He scores practically from everywhere. But I noticed that this year very few (only 3) of his goals were headers.
 

El Santo

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Nov 26, 2008
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Here is an interesting info that denies what you just said and what I and probably most of us here thought....

Cavani scored 28 goals this season (19 in serie A, 5 in CL, 4 in Coppa)
Only 3 of those were assisted by Lavezzi (1 in serie A against Lecce, 1 in Coppa against Siena and 1 in CL against City).

8 of Cavani's goals were without an assist. 4 of those 8 were penalties, 1 was a free kick, 1 a solo action and 2 were scored after clearances from an opponent.
Maggio is the one who assists Cavani the most (4 assists). Lavezzi, Pandev, Dossena and Hamsik have 3 assists each. The remaining 4 goals were assisted by Gargano, Inler, Santana and Dzemaili.

P.S: He scores practically from everywhere. But I noticed that this year very few (only 3) of his goals were headers.
Holy shit man. You're good, you're dam good.
 

deggen10

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Jul 27, 2011
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Do you think Conte will make the 3-5-2 our primary formation? To hide/adjust our mediocre/average RW? Because I don't think we can attract a quality CF and RW in one mercato.

Buffon
Barzagli - Bonucci - Chiellini
Lichtsteiner - Vidal - Pirlo - Marchisio - De Ceglie
Cavani - Vucinic​
Yes i think its almost certain. The only Italian team that's looked dangerous against top Euro teams is napoli with agressive counter. 4-3-3 is just asking to be raped against BM, RM and co. because SerieA can't match the intensity ATM.

We'd need someone possibly quicker than Vucinic, Licht and DC to make it work.
 

Deep C

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Apr 8, 2012
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I like having two formations that actually work depending on opposition and tactical developments during matches. Don't really see a need to settle for one in particular and hope the mercato reflects that.

So still need a goal getter, a RW, a LB and back up CB and playmaker.

And still doubt we'll get near any of the star strikers anyway. You just know Trollotta will sign a bargain. Let's hope it's at least a great bargain like Vidal was.
 

deggen10

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So still need a goal getter, a RW, a LB and back up CB and playmaker.
Yeah. Slight difference is that Pepe (as a wingback) wont need to be upgraded with the mythical RW that tracks back. Let's face it, if you're Ronaldo or someone WC, you won't be defending .

That way, we only need CF, Playmaker, LWB to make the first 11 WC.
 

napoleonic

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Yes i think its almost certain. The only Italian team that's looked dangerous against top Euro teams is napoli with agressive counter. 4-3-3 is just asking to be $#@!d against BM, RM and co. because SerieA can't match the intensity ATM.

We'd need someone possibly quicker than Vucinic, Licht and DC to make it work.
but this juve isn't your average italian team, our playstyle is somewhat closer to Bundes and EPL than any other italian teams IMO... would be stupid for conte to use cattenaccio against BM or RM... maybe only against barca all team goes cattenaccio, and surprisingly we also have one of the best defense out there.
 

Cronios

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Jun 7, 2004
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Here is an interesting info that denies what you just said and what I and probably most of us here thought....

Cavani scored 28 goals this season (19 in serie A, 5 in CL, 4 in Coppa)
Only 3 of those were assisted by Lavezzi (1 in serie A against Lecce, 1 in Coppa against Siena and 1 in CL against City).

8 of Cavani's goals were without an assist. 4 of those 8 were penalties, 1 was a free kick, 1 a solo action and 2 were scored after clearances from an opponent.
Maggio is the one who assists Cavani the most (4 assists). Lavezzi, Pandev, Dossena and Hamsik have 3 assists each. The remaining 4 goals were assisted by Gargano, Inler, Santana and Dzemaili.

P.S: He scores practically from everywhere. But I noticed that this year very few (only 3) of his goals were headers.
Alen, the stat machine :hellyes: Where do you get all that info?

And that demonstrates clearly that we need a finisher like that more than everything else.
We already have great possesion, decent passing and shoots numbers, we just need some better finishing.
After improving that, further boosting our creativity/service wouldnt hurt of course, but we cant buy everything in one year, the priority should be what we lack the most.
Vucinic, Pepe and Quaq (prolly Giovinco too) will do for now, but we really need to improve the finisher spot, MAtri has to stay as a sub, but the priority is to upgrade Borriello, back to
Treze standards, Cavani would do, his stats speak for themselves, also take in mind that all this happened in Italy and Cavani was not all that bad in Europe either. The risk in minimal.
He is the answer to our issues, no more half measures, no more Amauri likes, we really need a finisher with a certificate like that!
 

Deep C

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Yeah. Slight difference is that Pepe (as a wingback) wont need to be upgraded with the mythical RW that tracks back. Let's face it, if you're Ronaldo or someone WC, you won't be defending .

That way, we only need CF, Playmaker, LWB to make the first 11 WC.
Nah, like I said, I'd prefer we keep using the 4-3-3 when possible and that, I believe, requires a better RW than what we have at present. I'm under no illusions that we'll get someone awesome going forward and awesome going backward, but the spring portion of this season has shown that Pepe's autumn form was an anomaly. And that he's now back to his average self.

I don't know why you'e talking about wingbacks though. We've got two fine ones in Licht and Caceres. Pepe should never play there.

Pepe will (and should) still play at times when we're putting up a 4-3-3 against a team that might threaten more down that flank, due to his work rate and willingness to track back. But we still need a better option going forward if we're to unlock defences on both sides of our CF.
 

deggen10

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Jul 27, 2011
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but this juve isn't your average italian team, our playstyle is somewhat closer to Bundes and EPL than any other italian teams IMO... would be stupid for conte to use cattenaccio against BM or RM... maybe only against barca all team goes cattenaccio, and surprisingly we also have one of the best defense out there.
Bit harsh to call Napoli cattenaccio. They actually pressed those teams and attacked well.
And Tbh, our playstyle might be a little more intense, but even Milan still matched us and did you see them in CL? lol.

All i'm saying is that the best way to fight agressive/athletic teams is to have a lightning counter. Notice in the semi, both RM and BM were scared to push forward like they normally do.
 

Cronios

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Jun 7, 2004
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Juventus campioni d'italia 2012/2013

Buffon
Cassani - Silvestre - Astori - De Ceglie
Palombo - Pirlo - Marchisio
Caracciolo - Gilardino
One of the most disgusting formation one could imagine, if that happens, i will stop watching Juve for a season...
I ll be back when we will play in serie B again though, one year after this disaster...

Do you think Conte will make the 3-5-2 our primary formation? To hide/adjust our mediocre/average RW? Because I don't think we can attract a quality CF and RW in one mercato.

Buffon
Barzagli - Bonucci - Chiellini
Lichtsteiner - Vidal - Pirlo - Marchisio - De Ceglie
Cavani - Vucinic​
Thats more realistic and tough too. With some tweaks of course, but it could give some good results.

Buffon
Barza - Nesta_like - Chie
Caceres - Vidal - Pirlo - Marchisio - Giovinco
Cavani - Vucinic

with subs
Storari
Sorensen - Bonucci - It_youngster
Pepe - new_Totti - Melo - Barrone - DC/Giacche
Matri - Quaq/DP
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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Alen, the stat machine :hellyes: Where do you get all that info?
For Serie A and CL, ESPN covers everything. They have stats and match commentary where you can read how each goal was scored (header, left footer, right footer, outside the box, who assisted it etc). For Coppa matches ESPN don't have a good coverage so I watched the highlights. I suggest to you to watch the highlights of Napoli-Inter in the Coppa this year and see what was Cavani doing to them :D
And that demonstrates clearly that we need a finisher like that more than everything else.
We already have great possesion, decent passing and shoots numbers, we just need some better finishing.
After improving that, further boosting our creativity/service wouldnt hurt of course, but we cant buy everything in one year, the priority should be what we lack the most.
Vucinic, Pepe and Quaq (prolly Giovinco too) will do for now, but we really need to improve the finisher spot, MAtri has to stay as a sub, but the priority is to upgrade Borriello, back to
Treze standards, Cavani would do, his stats speak for themselves, also take in mind that all this happened in Italy and Cavani was not all that bad in Europe either. The risk in minimal.
He is the answer to our issues, no more half measures, no more Amauri likes, we really need a finisher with a certificate like that!
I definitely agree with this.

I want to add one more thing. While a Cavani like striker remains a top target, I'd also like to have one of those attacking wingers who contribute a lot with goals and assists. It's not a top priority but it's something we really need if we use a 4-3-3.
Such wingers this year are Ribery and Hazard. They have double digits for both goals and assists (Ribery has 11 goals+11 assists in Bundesliga while Hazard has 15 goals and 13 assists in the French league). Robben is another player who usually scores and assists a lot.
I'd kill to have Cavani and at least one terrific assist machine winger with an eye for a goal.
 

napoleonic

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Sep 7, 2010
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Bit harsh to call Napoli cattenaccio. They actually pressed those teams and attacked well.
And Tbh, our playstyle might be a little more intense, but even Milan still matched us and did you see them in CL? lol.

All i'm saying is that the best way to fight agressive/athletic teams is to have a lightning counter. Notice in the semi, both RM and BM were scared to push forward like they normally do.
last time we played in CL against chelsea which was roughly on par with this chelsea we played okay, and that was ranieri's juve which played with shit style... today we played much better and it's not impossible that we can actually dictate the game against europe top sides... milan? this milan is shit that ibra and penalties depended so it's not surprising if they played like shit in europe... lol
 

deggen10

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Jul 27, 2011
1,182
this milan is $#@! that ibra and penalties depended so it's not surprising if they played like $#@! in europe... lol
Yeah we'll know next season. Hopefully we get a top team in our group to see where we are at. Last thing i want to see is us get to the big games, and look fkn toothless like Milan last 5 years lol.
 

Joga Bonito

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Jul 28, 2010
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if cavani doesn't end up at juve i will hunt him down :D atleast than we know who the real jinx is
I believe we actually have a good chance of signing Cavani!

First of all, Napoli will miss Chl so it is likely he will leave them.

Secondly who else than us are interested in him? Not Real og Barca, no german teams, only 2 english team uses that kind of money on one player - City and Chelsea.
City already have Agüero, Teves (looks like he is happy again), Dzeko + Adebayor coming back from Tottenham and maybe Balotelli will be forgiven by Manchini. All in all City doesn't really need a new expensive attacker.
ATM it looks like Chelsea won't make Chl next season, so why would he join them rather than stay in Napoli? Furthermore think Roman is afraid of another Torres, so i don’t think he will spash the cash on him.

Finally we are interested in him, he is apparently Juve fan, we have Chl, we will double his salary. So if he is gonna leave i think he will join us.
 
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