Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2011-12) (48 Viewers)

[PedroFlu]

About Ganso: I'm not sure about him right now. Since his breakthrough (2 yrs ago), he's had 2 very serious injuries, underwent knee operation and recovery lasted 6 months. After that he had a series of muscle injuries.

In the time between and after that, he didn't play well. For Selecao he was crap. He spends too much time thinking about money and contract issues (he has problems with Santos) and cant put his shit together and just think about football.

There's an immense expecation in Brazil about him, who is probably our only hope of having a true "10" (creative intelligent offensive midfielder) in the WC. But the truth is he hasnt lived up to he expecations.

Most importantly, he's lazy as fuck. The funny thing is that he is the big headed one, not Neymar (who is hardworking and presses defenders). He's very talented, a bright guy, a classical kind of player, but he doesn't make any effort to help get the ball back. His movement off the ball, when his team has it, is also very poor. He's just old school, and he thinks he's good enough not to battle in the field. The kind of guy who doesn't play without the ball.

Summing it up: it wouldnt be worthwhile right now.

 

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[PedroFlu]

Regarding the transfer market, it doesnt make sense to sign Naiggolan (never seen him playing, but I imagine he's Inler-kind of player - not good enough, IMO) for 15M to sit on the bench.

We're OK in defense, we're good in midfield. Our tactics is brilliant, Conte is doing wonders. What we lack is simple: TALENT up front. We miss too many chances to score every single game, making it difficult and hard to win. With a guy like Ibrahimovic as a striker, Juve would win the league 5 matches ahead.

Guys like Pepe, Estigarribia, Matri, Quags, Vucinic, are all fairly good players (except for Esti who is utter shit IMO, and pepe who is average - but he's having a very good league). But they are not great. We need someone to step up to the next level.

So, what I say is: get ONE top player to be our finisher. And who is this guy, who is the only one available? Tevez. Get him. 25M for him is a bargain.

If not him, let's try someone like Shaqiri or the Belgium kid. This quality would make a big difference for us.

 

[Djabrail]

Regarding the transfer market, it doesnt make sense to sign Naiggolan (never seen him playing, but I imagine he's Inler-kind of player - not good enough, IMO) for 15M to sit on the bench.

Well,if you "never seen him playing, but imagine ", how could you "imagine"? And no, hes not Inler kind of player. And hes not coming here to be a bench player. There is enough room for Marchi, Vidal, Pirlo and him in 3 mans midfield. Rotation, my friend, rotation and competition.

 

[Nardonejuve]

Pedro for you to say esti is utter shit isnt very accurate my friend. Yes his finishing product is lacking and he does these fancy passes 1-2 times a game but for coming from a open individual type game from Argentina and coming to a very tactical slower paced serie a I think he's done pretty well. If he continues to play regularly off the bench and starts a game here and there he can become quite a squad player to have. Has pace good ball control and a not to shabby cross I don't see how you can call him utter shit.

 

[Ahmed]

I think his passing and crossing are worse than Esti's but he does end up making a lot of key passes by virtue of Udinese's system and him being the athetlic type of player he is.

Good left foot, no. And the other 3 attributes are nothing without having actual quality. There are plenty lower division players with those "qualities".

Where in this team would you have him play?

LB.

I hate Amero so much... hes one of my most hated players in serie A right now.

used to say the same about Licht.

Regarding the transfer market, it doesnt make sense to sign Naiggolan (never seen him playing, but I imagine he's Inler-kind of player - not good enough, IMO) for 15M to sit on the bench.

We're OK in defense, we're good in midfield. Our tactics is brilliant, Conte is doing wonders. What we lack is simple: TALENT up front. We miss too many chances to score every single game, making it difficult and hard to win. With a guy like Ibrahimovic as a striker, Juve would win the league 5 matches ahead.

Guys like Pepe, Estigarribia, Matri, Quags, Vucinic, are all fairly good players (except for Esti who is utter shit IMO, and pepe who is average - but he's having a very good league). But they are not great. We need someone to step up to the next level.

So, what I say is: get ONE top player to be our finisher. And who is this guy, who is the only one available? Tevez. Get him. 25M for him is a bargain.

If not him, let's try someone like Shaqiri or the Belgium kid. This quality would make a big difference for us.

good post, agree on most points.

 

[mukumsplau]

i dont think radja shud play tonight...wouldnt put it past some milan asshole to injure him

 

[suligodsilla]

About Ganso: I'm not sure about him right now. Since his breakthrough (2 yrs ago), he's had 2 very serious injuries, underwent knee operation and recovery lasted 6 months. After that he had a series of muscle injuries.

In the time between and after that, he didn't play well. For Selecao he was crap. He spends too much time thinking about money and contract issues (he has problems with Santos) and cant put his shit together and just think about football.

There's an immense expecation in Brazil about him, who is probably our only hope of having a true "10" (creative intelligent offensive midfielder) in the WC. But the truth is he hasnt lived up to he expecations.

Most importantly, he's lazy as fuck. The funny thing is that he is the big headed one, not Neymar (who is hardworking and presses defenders). He's very talented, a bright guy, a classical kind of player, but he doesn't make any effort to help get the ball back. His movement off the ball, when his team has it, is also very poor. He's just old school, and he thinks he's good enough not to battle in the field. The kind of guy who doesn't play without the ball.

Summing it up: it wouldnt be worthwhile right now.

cool guy this ganso after your description i think i will watch him more closely. i like those lazy players.

 

[Juve_Kosova]

We so need a player like Tevez!

 

[Salvatore]

Regarding the transfer market, it doesnt make sense to sign Naiggolan (never seen him playing, but I imagine he's Inler-kind of player - not good enough, IMO) for 15M to sit on the bench.

How is Inler not good enough?

 

[ZoSo]

How is Inler not good enough?

Because he plays for Naples Soccer

 

[Hængebøffer]

How is Inler not good enough?

Yeah. That was stupid.

 

[tyouto]

armero is the assists leader on serie A right now with 8

yeah he is bitching last night but that's the spirit, i love him to juve

 

[PedroFlu]

Well,if you "never seen him playing, but imagine ", how could you "imagine"? And no, hes not Inler kind of player. And hes not coming here to be a bench player. There is enough room for Marchi, Vidal, Pirlo and him in 3 mans midfield. Rotation, my friend, rotation and competition.

Well, the idea I have of this player is from the posts here. So, the "imagination" isn't quite on the dark here. Maybe I should ve used another verb, not an English speaker.

People compare him to Vidal, but as far as Im concerned, Vidal is not only amazing physically and with his presence on the pitch. He's technically gifted and smart, even though he fucks things up sometimes (like yesterday).

 

[PedroFlu]

Pedro for you to say esti is utter shit isnt very accurate my friend. Yes his finishing product is lacking and he does these fancy passes 1-2 times a game but for coming from a open individual type game from Argentina and coming to a very tactical slower paced serie a I think he's done pretty well. If he continues to play regularly off the bench and starts a game here and there he can become quite a squad player to have. Has pace good ball control and a not to shabby cross I don't see how you can call him utter shit.

Well, I've been wrong about a few players before. Pepe has always been average at most, but he's having a great season.

Giaccherini looked average to me as well, but IMO he was the best player on the pitch yerterday. Great, great match.

I hope you are right about Estigarribia. But Ive seen him play for Paraguay sometimes, and he's playing exactly like I expected. I just think he doesn't have the required talent to make it.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

We so need a player like Tevez!

pass. Many better forwards who are not always on their period

 

[Gerd]

genoa buys half immobile for 4 mil
and it seems we didn't get boakye

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

We so need a player like Tevez!

Gonna do a dedication thread soon? You're 12 posts short of 10,000 just about Tevez

On another note, does Conte really want Behrami? What the hell, Tony?

 

[Gerd]

Gonna do a dedication thread soon? You're 12 posts short of 10,000 just about Tevez

On another note, does Conte really want Behrami? What the hell, Tony?

boh these days there have been talks about naingolan only , and seeing as they sold immobile there is a great chance that the money we got for him will be used to get naingolan

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

boh these days there have been talks about naingolan only , and seeing as they sold immobile there is a great chance that the money we got for him will be used to get naingolan

I know. But he wanted Behrami, though?

 

[Gerd]

I know. But he wanted Behrami, though?

from what i have read behrami was on his list as was nainngolan
but behrami got blocked by fiorentina they are not selling him
still better than we got the second