Winter mercato thread 2016-17 (44 Viewers)

[Osman]

Lol now its Hazard + $ for Bonucci - I always felt Hazard is a bit overrated so unless a major sum included I think we should decline

Hehe, I dont want to lose Bonucci under any circusmtances, but you realize Hazard is 25 year old top attacking player who scores or assists in the dozen per season? Its like saying someone is overrated is supposed to just mean they are bad? You can be a complete quality player and still be bit overrated. We would be completely lucky if we can get get that level of quality AM like him. Shows we grown alot if we can just pluck one of EPLs stars.

 

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[radekas]

Mi piace assaggiare un bavarese

what the actual fuck

 

[Zacheryah]

Hehe, I dont want to lose Bonucci under any circusmtances, but you realize Hazard is 25 year old top attacking player who scores or assists in the dozen per season? Its like saying someone is overrated is supposed to just mean they are bad? You can be a complete quality player and still be bit overrated. We would be completely lucky if we can get get that level of quality AM like him. Shows we grown alot if we can just pluck one of EPLs stars.

Hazard is extremely lazy and lethergic tho. No work ethic. Vucinic³ in terms of absolute nonchalance image.

 

[Osman]

Thats extreme exaggeration even if there is a point to it, not ideal attitude and mental strength (doesnt handle hurdles that well it seems), but give him his role and he will do damage, as he has done most of his career. He is a top player, whats stopping from reaching higher is exactly the above mentionned, the hunger and fight of a true great, he would be considered in Barca or Real trio level player otherwise if it wasnt for that. But the dude is insanely skillfull and has significant impact for a team. IMO I see him going to Bayern or something and absolutely just tearing to opposition again like no other in a easier surrounding for him.

 

[PedroFlu]

I think they really should go for talent now, instead of more competitive pieces to complete the team, who end up expensive as well because of wages (i.e. Witsel).

For example, Dembele to me is the next big thing in world football after Neymar - Dybala. I was astonished when I saw him playing for Dortmund. He not only has crazy dribbling skills; he can use both feet apparently equally (HUGE for any forward), has good decision making, teamwork, decent vision, passing. He's not as raw as it could seem for a 19 yr old kid.

Even though he doesn't really fit our current formation, and we desperately need a good midfielder, I'd be glad if Juve could go crazy on him offering 40 or 50M to Dortmund, and mainly, try to lure the player offering wages Dortmund can't even dream of.

If it doesn't work, go for the best young midfielder there is - Tielemans, Bazoer, Dahoud, Tolisso (or Colisso, whatever is his name) or any less hyped but equally great talent.

Make sure we get Berardi, and we will be set for the real transition season - 2017/2018, where I really think will be the last year of our 3 CBs together + Buffon.

In 2 years, Buffon and Barza will possibly retire, Chiellini will possibly be relegated to the bench and Bonucci will be our remaining stalwart. It will be huge. While this doesn't happen, we have to make sure we already have the foundations of the new columns and that they get at least 1 year of transition on a bigger role.

Dream players in september 2018: 433 or 4231

CMs: Marchisio, Khedira, Lemina, Bazoer or stg
LWs: Dembele, Pjaca
RWs: Berardi, Cuadrado
AMs/Ss: Dybala, Pjanic
CFs: Higuain, Kean

Ideally we need more Italian players, but Marotta already let understand that "Italianization" won't go before quality, so...

 

[Osman]

No point going all in for Dembele now, we could had him for 16m (or 8m plus 8m bonus lol) just couple months ago. He will be in Dortmund for few years until he goes to Bayern/EPL.

 

[PedroFlu]

No point going all in for Dembele now, we could had him for 16m (or 8m plus 8m bonus lol) just couple months ago. He will be in Dortmund for few years until he goes to Bayern/EPL.

I know, but even if we didn't go for him before, that's no reason to not still try to sign him while we can.

Even though Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern will be all over him, so now it got more difficult.

I just think that when you identify this kind of talent, if you have 1% of chance of signing him, you should go for it.

But yes, signing him is not realistic at all.

Since we will get Witsel for a low fee or no fee at all, and considering that we are very likely to get around 45M for Coman + Zaza, and maybe even sell Mandzukic (15M), I really don't know in what position will Marotta invest the money in. This season we didn't spend much (at most 20M, considering Raiola's comission).

 

[Cerval]

No point going all in for Dembele now, we could had him for 16m (or 8m plus 8m bonus lol) just couple months ago. He will be in Dortmund for few years until he goes to Bayern/EPL.

Potentially I can see him going to Real or Barca, over EPL.

 

[Zacheryah]

Thats extreme exaggeration even if there is a point to it, not ideal attitude and mental strength (doesnt handle hurdles that well it seems), but give him his role and he will do damage, as he has done most of his career. He is a top player, whats stopping from reaching higher is exactly the above mentionned, the hunger and fight of a true great, he would be considered in Barca or Real trio level player otherwise if it wasnt for that. But the dude is insanely skillfull and has significant impact for a team. IMO I see him going to Bayern or something and absolutely just tearing to opposition again like no other in a easier surrounding for him.

Wel offcourse. Just talent alone isnt enough. The character has to be right. Hazard must pick a team that gets the most out of a flairfull player, and doesnt require a work ethic.

He should go to City. Guardiola would make him a monster.

 

[DutchJuventino]

@PedroFlu , Bazoer isn't even a starter for Ajax. He didn't develop and they bought Ziyech for the midfield.

 

[PedroFlu]

@PedroFlu , Bazoer isn't even a starter for Ajax. He didn't develop and they bought Ziyech for the midfield.

Hm, thanks for the info. I was just listing the most hyped young mids out there, I don't follow any of them.

But Ziyech is an attacking midfielder while Bazoer is more like a complete CM who can also play DM, right? They seem to play at different positions.

Apparently Tielemans also didn't develop much past season. Never seen Dahoud and Colisso play lol.

 

[Osman]

You should only hype people you seen bro Bazoer I barely seen except 1 game, Tielemans couple years ago and he is most impressive talent of those you mentionned for me tho he might not go anywhere. But the best player amongst them is the one me and most of us should seen more of then the others, Dahoud. Very good player really, quite all around CM.


No idea about Tolisso, didnt stand out much for me the couple times I randomly seen a Lyon game.

 

[LiquidPLP]

When it comes to CM, we should do everything possible to bring in Verratti. Then suddenly our not so special midfield becomes a top one again. Pjanic - Marchisio - Verratti is fapworthy and we'd have Khedira, Lemina and Witsel for rotation.

Verratti is a WC CM. Add to that he's still very young and Italian, so he'd stay here for years to come and with time he'll only get better. He'd be a guarantee of our successful rebuild when it comes to the Italian core which is getting old.

Hopefully we manage to get the money from Zaza's and Coman's buy-outs, so we'll be able to dream of another big-ass-fee signing Do your magic Beppe

 

[PedroFlu]

Signing Verratti would be quite a miracle... it's so unrealistic I can't even get a boner on this

 

[Hist]

Barcelona's last CL was won based on their insane counter effectiveness with that hyperspeed front trio backed by Iniesta

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That works perfectly in a 3-5-2.

However, please dont act liike witsel is a DM/defensive CM, thanks

Dybala and Higuain are quite worse than Messi, Suarez and Neymar. Don't kid yourself.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Dybala and Higuain are quite worse than Messi, Suarez and Neymar. Don't kid yourself.

They're imbeciles compared to them.

 

[Hist]

They're imbeciles compared to them.

well ofcourse

 

[Mark]

So apparently Pavel's talking to Mino about possibly getting Donnarumma for free in 2018.

 

[Cerval]

So apparently Pavel's talking to Mino about possibly getting Donnarumma for free in 2018.

His contract is up by then?

 

[Mark]

His contract is up by then?

He can't sign a pro contract till he's 18 so if he doesn't with meelan we could have a go.

Normally these kids sign with their current club but this is Raiola we're talking about and he could of promised us something with the Pogba deal.

I'm sure Donnarumma will get some sort of threats if he doesn't sign meelan though.