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[edgardavids2608]

They are all garbage, with the exception of Locatelli and McNuggets.

I'd deploy a 4-2-3-1 formation when everyone is fit, thereby bypassing the weak link, our midfield.

A 4-2-3-1 with Mcnuggets and Loca in a double pivot, Chiesa and Cuads flanking Morata/Kean and Dybala (when fit) or Kaio behind the lone striker.

So Allegri should have gotten a medical degree in the offseason so he could have players more fit in order to not start the player you hate. Good idea. I never thought about making players not get injured as a strategy

 

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[Bianconero81]

So Allegri should have gotten a medical degree in the offseason so he could have players more fit in order to not start the player you hate. Good idea. I never thought about making players not get injured as a strategy

Where did I say that? Obviously, something is off with our medics, not just our injured players, when there is a recurrence of the same injuries, and this is witnessed in more than one player. The fault does not lie with Allegri, but we cannot absolve his staff.

 

[edgardavids2608]

Where did I say that? Obviously, something is off with our medics, not just our injured players, when there is a recurrence of the same injuries, and this is witnessed in more than one player. The fault does not lie with Allegri, but we cannot absolve his staff.

Back to the original point: Do you think Max is content with this group and doesnt want or request better players?

 

[Jäger]

Starting who instead would send the right signal?

Maybe try fielding a different formation that is suited to our better players, like a 4231? Constantly putting Rabiot as LM over and over again, despite having demonstrated terrible performances whenever he plays there, is a sign of stubbornness and arrogance. One wise man once said that trying the same thing over and over again to no avail is the definition of insanity, but hey!

 

[DAiDEViL]

Not as naïve as the Allegri throaters here with their double standards.

You can't say that this squad needs significant improvement while trying to defend a coach who wants to keep all of the trash, or replacing them with equally garbage players. Also answer the question, instead of dodging it with ad hominems

Things being said to the media might not be true. The coach doesn't have to make public that his players are shit - because it's helping no one.

So yeah, pretty naive if you ask me.


Also, when it comes to throating, there is a lot to be learned for me here. The way you wrap your lips around Conte's wood is quite a thing. I can only dream of ever being as good as you.

In the meantime, try and show some more respect to the more successfull Juve coach out of the two

 

[Knowah]

"How come Allegri doesn't publically throw his players under the bus and tell us how much he hates them all too!"

Some posters here.

 

[edgardavids2608]

Maybe try fielding a different formation that is suited to our better players, like a 4231? Constantly putting Rabiot as LM over and over again, despite having demonstrated terrible performances whenever he plays there, is a sign of stubbornness and arrogance. One wise man once said that trying the same thing over and over again to no avail is the definition of insanity, but hey!

So with Chiesa and Dybala hurt you think the numbers are right to start 4 attacking players? He has very few wingers in this squad and really only one guy that can play AM and hes been hurt

 

[Cerval]

I expect honesty from a coach, and it doesn't have to be conveyed through attacks on individuals in the press. This goes beyond interviews, it is reflective in his starting lineups and his activity in the transfer windows. Clearly you didn't read that part, or you just ignored it because you like putting words in other peoples mouths

The problem is if honesty can impact the team in a negative way, you shouldn't go for that option imo. Not sure what you mean by wanting honesty beyond interviews though

 

[Bianconero81]

Back to the original point: Do you think Max is content with this group and doesnt want or request better players?

Of course not, but what's the point of crying about it, especially to the media? He will go about his business and discuss these issues with management in private.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Of course not, but what's the point of crying about it, especially to the media? He will go about his business and discuss these issues with management in private.

How it should be done.

But apparently, if you don't make it public so tuz users can see it for themselves - it doesn't happen.

 

[Jäger]

Things being said to the media might not be true. The coach doesn't have to make public that his players are shit - because it's helping no one.

So yeah, pretty naive if you ask me.

Once again, I didn't say that he needs to go into specifics. But by denying that problems exist where improvements need to be made is where I have an issue. Either he is pretending to over-inflate the importance of players like Arthur and Rabiot, or he genuinely does believe that they are actually good players, in which case then he needs to leave. Because clearly he hasn't got the right ambitious mentality for this club.

Also, when it comes to throating, there is a lot to be learned for me here. The way you wrap your lips around Conte's wood is quite a thing. I can only dream of ever being as good as you.

You don't need to dream, I'm sure you do a good enough job of satisfying Allegri already.

In the meantime, try and show some more respect to the more successfull Juve coach out of the two

I do respect him, and I was initially pleased when we re-hired him, but with hindsight I've realised that he is not what we need right now for this rebuild project.

Conte on the other hand could walk into the premier league midseason and become the first spurs manager to go unbeaten in his first 7 games. And yet somehow I'm delusional for preferring him?

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So with Chiesa and Dybala hurt you think the numbers are right to start 4 attacking players? He has very few wingers in this squad and really only one guy that can play AM and hes been hurt

He was playing Rabiot as LM before either of them got hurt. I was annoyed because it meant Chiesa had to play a lot deeper in a 442. And even when he did continue playing there he could have started bernadeschi instead, which thankfully he has now realised

 

[Knowah]

Once again, I didn't say that he needs to go into specifics. But by denying that problems exist where improvements need to be made is where I have an issue. Either he is pretending to over-inflate the importance of players like Arthur and Rabiot, or he genuinely does believe that they are actually good players, in which case then he needs to leave. Because clearly he hasn't got the right ambitious mentality for this club.

None of this makes any sense of a management perspective, from a leadership perspective, from a decision-maker perspective.

NOT saying something is not denying the problem exists. It's quite literally NOT speaking about it.

Arthur and Rabiot ARE important players. Or they should be. Him saying that is not crazy, is not Allegri lying. It is nothing more than stating a fact. They should be important players. Rabiot is a very talented player who is playing like dogshit. Not one year ago, he was playing like a decent midfielder and actually doing okay.

Arthur was deemed talented enough that Barcelona won his signature versus a lot of other big clubs. His talent is not in question. His desire and drive are the ones in question. Sometimes all that takes to unlock that key in somebody's head is a leader/manager pointing them in the right direction. I don't think its happening but thats the potential inside Arthur. We all wish it would happen but it doesn't look like its happening.

But to expect Allegri to come out and say "Arthur is dogshit, Rabiot is dogshit, I hate both those players and we need to sell them" does ZERO for you. It doesn't help those players mentally which (as much as we want them gone, they're here now and being paid) onyl hurts the squad RIGHT NOW as well as you instantly torpedo any value they had. Value in their wages being offloaded in a loan, value in them being bought even at a steep loss to remove SOME monetary amount for them. You lose all those advantages.

Even with a clear case like Ramsey being a millstone around our neck, Allegri has frozen him out and said he's leaving. He hasn't called him dogshit, hasn't said anything of the sort. And that's with a player who's value is already damn-near zero.

 

[Jäger]

How it should be done.

But apparently, if you don't make it public so tuz users can see it for themselves - it doesn't happen.

You seem to think that he's so much different behind closed doors? When this mercato closes and we get no one, then maybe you should ask yourself whether that's really the case. Because at this rate, as I've maintained, he seems content with the mediocrity in this squad, as indicated by his desire to retain both Morata and Arthur

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None of this makes any sense of a management perspective, from a leadership perspective, from a decision-maker perspective.

NOT saying something is not denying the problem exists. It's quite literally NOT speaking about it.

Arthur and Rabiot ARE important players. Or they should be. Him saying that is not crazy, is not Allegri lying. It is nothing more than stating a fact. They should be important players. Rabiot is a very talented player who is playing like dogshit. Not one year ago, he was playing like a decent midfielder and actually doing okay.

Arthur was deemed talented enough that Barcelona won his signature versus a lot of other big clubs. His talent is not in question. His desire and drive are the ones in question. Sometimes all that takes to unlock that key in somebody's head is a leader/manager pointing them in the right direction. I don't think its happening but thats the potential inside Arthur. We all wish it would happen but it doesn't look like its happening.

But to expect Allegri to come out and say "Arthur is dogshit, Rabiot is dogshit, I hate both those players and we need to sell them" does ZERO for you. It doesn't help those players mentally which (as much as we want them gone, they're here now and being paid) onyl hurts the squad RIGHT NOW as well as you instantly torpedo any value they had. Value in their wages being offloaded in a loan, value in them being bought even at a steep loss to remove SOME monetary amount for them. You lose all those advantages.

Even with a clear case like Ramsey being a millstone around our neck, Allegri has frozen him out and said he's leaving. He hasn't called him dogshit, hasn't said anything of the sort. And that's with a player who's value is already damn-near zero.

How many times do I need to repeat myself? He doesn't need to say that they're dogshit. By freezing out Ramsey, I think most people got the message (although that had more to do with his injury than anything else). My problem is that his insistence on fielding terrible players, instead of giving our youngsters a chance, is indicative of his approval of them. And by constantly hearing rumours that he wants to retain them (as was the case with Morata and Arthur) it just adds weight to my argument, and sadly it doesn't give me much hope that we will see any significant progress in this transfer window.

 

[Bjerknes]

I think the issue is that Allegri has favorite players that just don't make sense to some of us. Berna, MDS, Morata, now Rabiot, et cetera. He made similar comments about these players in the past, so that's probably why his comments about Arthur and Morata are taken at face value. As they probably should because that's what we have to go on.

 

[Karim30]

Probably the best option. Small rewards if he leaves on loan; we’d save his salary while he receives a acceptable amount due to the tax benefits, but his amortization remains very high and it doesn’t seem likely that some club pays a significant amount for a loan. Hopefully a Danilo-scenario.

You can call it a Pellegrini scenario as well. Hopefully Arthur is next.

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and this is all based on some shitty news tuttosport journalists invented while still hangover from christmas dinners and new years eve parties

No, Di Marzio+the fact that he started last two games. He was injured most of 2021 so let’s hope he can start delivering. Who knows.

 

[Knowah]

How many times do I need to repeat myself? He doesn't need to say that they're dogshit. By freezing out Ramsey, I think most people got the message (although that had more to do with his injury than anything else). My problem is that his insistence on fielding terrible players, instead of giving our youngsters a chance, is indicative of his approval of them. And by constantly hearing rumours that he wants to retain them (as was the case with Morata and Arthur) it just adds weight to my argument, and sadly it doesn't give me much hope that we will see any significant progress in this transfer window.

I agree I wish he'd play more youngsters but midfield might be the hardest place for that to occur with the most responsibility and the most tactical ability required. I think he most definitely SHOULD play youngsters against the minnows of Serie A but in reality he's also fighting and clawing to get a CL spot. Hard ask to TEST a youngster with so much riding on the line right now. Even with how bad Rabiot has been, we know he can play better and when you're fighting for a CL spot, its a hard ask to risk so much for so little chance of reward. Best you can hope for in a realistic situation is that the younster is slightly better than Rabiot.

People forget Allegri has his eyes and ears all over the rosters of this club. He knows the youngsters and is a professional judge of talent like any other manager. If he thinks Rabiot is the best chance in midfield (sad to say) that we have then he's making that call. CL is on the line here. This isn't FM or FIFA.

 

[U Picciriddu]

Allegri has his flaws, no denial there. But he won’t get replaced, it better to look to the positive things if you’re that frustrated about him. He’ll stay for a few years (at least).

Personally I still have a lot of confidence in him.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

allegri is a flaw. it is better look to positive things but there are none. he should not stay more than a few minutes(at most).

Personally i don't have a lot of confidence in him.

 

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[Robee]

No. As a fellow belgian, just no.