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[Post Ironic]

No question that Depay is preferrable to current Morata. If we can make the swap without spending too much cash on top of it then its a no brainer

Based upon what?

Depay has 8 goals - 2 assists in 1875 minutes

Morty has 7 goals - 3 assists in 1579 minutes

If we look at last year too, their production is also almost identical.

Depay 22 goals - 12 assists in 3100 minutes

Morty 20 goals - 12 assists in 2800 minutes

Depay has positional versatility and is 1 year younger, so he has those things going for him. Other than that we just treading water with moves like this.

 

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[juve123]

hardly an upgrade if anything its a downgrade

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Seriously beanie needs to bitch slap Morata into staying till the end of the season unless we get an actual hit man capable of 20+ goals a season otherwise we're solving fuck all, potentially creating more problems if anything

We are always in a hands tied position so expect Morata to leave and Milik/Icardi replacement.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Based upon what?

Depay has 8 goals - 2 assists in 1875 minutes

Morty has 7 goals - 3 assists in 1579 minutes

If we look at last year too, their production is also almost identical.

Depay 22 goals - 12 assists in 3100 minutes

Morty 20 goals - 12 assists in 2800 minutes

Depay has positional versatility and is 1 year younger, so he has those things going for him. Other than that we just treading water with moves like this.

I thought Depay was quite good at the Euros and some of the Barca highlights i've seen. Maybe I'm wrong but pure stats aside he looks to be on much better form

 

[Post Ironic]

@Dru how is Depay a reliable goalscorer? He has 3 more goals in 600 more minutes over the past 2 seasons. I’d be curious with regards to him being able to play on the wing, but he is not and has never been a guy who bangs in the goals regularly.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

We are always in a hands tied position so expect Morata to leave and Milik/Icardi replacement.

id be ok with Icardi replacing Morata, but as of now it's hard to imagine Icardi will even materialise this January without agreeing to oblige to buy him outright which I'm not entirely comfortable with.

 

[Post Ironic]

I thought Depay was quite good at the Euros and some of the Barca highlights i've seen. Maybe I'm wrong but pure stats aside he looks to be on much better form

Fair enough. I haven’t watched Barca at all, so I have no idea how he looks for them.

 

[.zero]

@Dru how is Depay a reliable goalscorer? He has 3 more goals in 600 more minutes over the past 2 seasons. I’d be curious with regards to him being able to play on the wing, but he is not and has never been a guy who bangs in the goals regularly.

Speculatively the trident I mentioned is far more capable of creating and scoring than what we have today. Despite his stats for the past few seasons. I also don’t expect him to bang buckets of goals but to be another creative attack option isn’t something we can overlook. We’re not going to get bags of goals with the current strike force and we aren’t signing Vlahović. Paying 40m for zaza 2.0 isn’t wise either.

Of course it requires everyone to be healthy as well.

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If MI9 is still a less expensive option then Memphis and Morty can both fvck off

 

[U Picciriddu]

Depay is overrated guys. Wouldn’t help us

 

[Knowah]

Depay has positional versatility and is 1 year younger, so he has those things going for him. Other than that we just treading water with moves like this.

I've always thought that's kind of goal until we dig ourselves out the Wagebill hell created for us by these larger earners sitting on our bench.

Hard financially to survive and thrive and grow while we've got such massive wages all over our roster not contributing. Treading water is kind of the goal until we can clear out the high earners. Until then, they sink us down too much as a squad to be fully competitive imo.

 

[MikeM]

Basically we will have the same problem we have at the moment... nobody will score

Dybala scores better than Morata. The question is supplying him chances and keeping him on the field.

Dybala has overperformed his xG by like 15 goals in the last few years (absurd). Yes, a lot comes from outside the box excellence BUT..

Last 5 seasons in the penalty area (league play):

Morata 40.95 xG and 33 goals.
Dybala 28 xG and 33 goals.

Dybala even has more xAssists in the penalty area than Morata and Morata is a "real 9"..

 

[U Picciriddu]

Based upon what?

Depay has 8 goals - 2 assists in 1875 minutes

Morty has 7 goals - 3 assists in 1579 minutes

If we look at last year too, their production is also almost identical.

Depay 22 goals - 12 assists in 3100 minutes

Morty 20 goals - 12 assists in 2800 minutes

Depay has positional versatility and is 1 year younger, so he has those things going for him. Other than that we just treading water with moves like this.

Depay is better in creating and receiving the ball between the lines. He isn’t a great finisher and has quite a shitty attitude. The fact that Barcelona signed him for free and they already want to get rid of him is a massive red flag.

He’s barely a upgrade, I’d say that Morata fits the team a lot better with his work ethics and movement that he adds to the team.

The logical option would be using the money we save from releasing Morata for someone who has a future here instead of going for the swap. Luckily we don’t seem to be interested.

We should look to someone who’s able to play with his back towards the goal and who’s a good finisher.

 

[Bjerknes]

I can totally see us getting Milik and then Scummacca in the summer. Then we’ll have two bean pole strikers to hit and hope to. If we happen to lose Dybala as well we might as well just deploy a Capello 442 and bore everyone to death even more than we already do.

 

[LiquidPLP]

Depay is better in creating and receiving the ball between the lines. He isn’t a great finisher and has quite a shitty attitude. The fact that Barcelona signed him for free and they already want to get rid of him is a massive red flag.

He’s barely a upgrade, I’d say that Morata fits the team a lot better with his work ethics and movement that he adds to the team.

The logical option would be using the money we save from releasing Morata for someone who has a future here instead of going for the swap. Luckily we don’t seem to be interested.

We should look to someone who’s able to play with his back towards the goal and who’s a good finisher.

Depay to rotate with Dybala in 4231 doesn't sound too bad IMO. Right now when Dybala is not there, Allegri deploys Kaio/Kulu in there and neither can do that properly.

The real question is whether Allegri wants to stick to 4231 though. It's not said we have to play 4231 when Dybala is not there.

 

[Mokku]

Depay has similar numbers to Morata but he isn't a CF, he may play there for Barcelona but he wouldn't be a CF here so actually, his numbers are pretty good.

 

[Karim30]

Assuming Depay is excellent but not a CF, whom do we replace Morata with?

 

[rakib567]

Depay LW
Dybala AM
Chiesa RW
Vlahovic/Kean CF

 

[Post Ironic]

Depay has similar numbers to Morata but he isn't a CF, he may play there for Barcelona but he wouldn't be a CF here so actually, his numbers are pretty good.

? He is playing there as a CF for Barca. If he was playing on the wing would his numbers be what they are? And seeing as Allegri doesn’t seem to believe Dybala works as a 9, who is playing CF here?

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Speculatively the trident I mentioned is far more capable of creating and scoring than what we have today. Despite his stats for the past few seasons. I also don’t expect him to bang buckets of goals but to be another creative attack option isn’t something we can overlook. We’re not going to get bags of goals with the current strike force and we aren’t signing Vlahović. Paying 40m for zaza 2.0 isn’t wise either.

Of course it requires everyone to be healthy as well.

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If MI9 is still a less expensive option then Memphis and Morty can both fvck off

I don’t disagree with this, but I’m confused by the speculation that Allegri would entertain a 4-3-3 with Dybala up top as the 9. He never did before, he hasn’t now. Pirlo also refused to. And Sarri king of 4-3-3, who even converted Mertens into a 9, refused to use Dybala as a 9. So… why do we think that getting Depay would have us play that trident?

 

[Espectro]

? He is playing there as a CF for Barca. If he was playing on the wing would his numbers be what they are? And seeing as Allegri doesn’t seem to believe Dybala works as a 9, who is playing CF here?

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I don’t disagree with this, but I’m confused by the speculation that Allegri would entertain a 4-3-3 with Dybala up top as the 9. He never did before, he hasn’t now. Pirlo also refused to. And Sarri king of 4-3-3, who even converted Mertens into a 9, refused to use Dybala as a 9. So… why do we think that getting Depay would have us play that trident?

Agree! we must remember that Allegri's number 9 has to hold the ball and has to work alot in comming back outside the area to lunch the other players... thats what Higuain did, thats what at the moment Morata does and thats why Ronaldo and Dybala never work as number 9 under Allegri.

And thats also the reason a Depay - Dybala - Chiesa will not work under Allegri...nombody will "hold the ball" and nobody will "put the work"

 

[MikeM]

? He is playing there as a CF for Barca. If he was playing on the wing would his numbers be what they are? And seeing as Allegri doesn’t seem to believe Dybala works as a 9, who is playing CF here?

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I don’t disagree with this, but I’m confused by the speculation that Allegri would entertain a 4-3-3 with Dybala up top as the 9. He never did before, he hasn’t now. Pirlo also refused to. And Sarri king of 4-3-3, who even converted Mertens into a 9, refused to use Dybala as a 9. So… why do we think that getting Depay would have us play that trident?

Sarri did use him as a 9 for a decent stretch. But he had Higuain and Ronaldo that he had to use as well.

But nowadays we don't have a Higuain on the roster and Allegri also has the issue of Chiesa being a 4-3-3 player. So we could sign Milik to replace Morata and play 2 strikers. Then you have to put Chiesa in a 4 man midfield to accommodate that.

To me it makes even less sense to put Depay as the 9. Dybala behind him. And then Chiesa in the midfield 4. For sure, I think we would never do that.

 

[Mokku]

? He is playing there as a CF for Barca. If he was playing on the wing would his numbers be what they are?

His position is the middle of the trident but the tiki taka is different whereby he doesn't play back to goal hold up, he runs down the channels. He always has runners with him and slots forward passes to his team mates. Bernado Silva plays CF at City but he's not expected to be a target man yet he's very effective in that role.