Winter mercato 2022 (108 Viewers)

[Strickland]

Man City rarely uses a striker but they're scoring tons of goals so the question is how are we going to utilise Vlahovic if we can't even utilise Kean and Morata who are both decent. Our weakness is still creativity above anything else, 40M would get you a very good attacking midfielder.

If Dybs is gone, I hope we swap him for an attacking mid and go 433. if Dybs is staying we're most likely planning for 4231 where Dybala is occupying that attacking midfielder spot without doing any of the defensive work.

 

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[Jäger]

We won't see a 433 so long as Dybala is still here. 4231 means we will get only one midfielder and Rovella will act as a bench-warmer

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[Mokku]

Losing both Dybala and Chiesa to injury really hit us so I'd get cover for those positions more than a Morata/Kean replacement. If we get rid of some midfield bums then fill those positions but that's a big if as it stands.

 

[Suns]

If I could choose any striker this winter I'd take Cavani. He easily has 1-2 good seasons in him. Fit, works extremely hard and a great finisher. The pressing with him would be Mandzukic levels.

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That's what a loser would say. Give me the vastly inferior player because he will stay loyal. In the meantime, the other player wins all the trophies and enjoys greater success.

I'd rather spend time developing Scammaca than Vlahovic here for the next 2 years.

Also I think I need to state that I'm a fan and believe Scammaca has huge potential to be a great striker.

 

[Dostoevsky]

We won't see a 433 so long as Dybala is still here. 4231 means we will get only one midfielder and Rovella will act as a bench-warmer

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Such BS.

I'm not saying we did great in the summer but imo we didn't have the funds to operate, hence the long talks over Locatelli (gotta highlight how everyone wanted him). Kean might be a flop move but he's still young and talented, plus he came after a good season in Paris. It's a loan deal so we might not even trigger it, who knows.

Then another BS is how results are expected in January. That's just lol. We still don't have the cash plus it's January. It's not like clubs are happy to sell players during the winter unless they are garbage like those we have currently.

 

[Bjerknes]

Thank fuck for AFCON.

Our management really must be some lazy fuckers who love overpaid underperforming stale shit.

In the meantime, Roma are really interested in Kamara, a solid young midfielder with an expiring contract who is performing well for Marseille.

Kamara, can play DM and CB, but not old and expensive enough for us as a freebie.

 

[U Picciriddu]

Such BS.

I'm not saying we did great in the summer but imo we didn't have the funds to operate, hence the long talks over Locatelli (gotta highlight how everyone wanted him). Kean might be a flop move but he's still young and talented, plus he came after a good season in Paris. It's a loan deal so we might not even trigger it, who knows.

Then another BS is how results are expected in January. That's just lol. We still don't have the cash plus it's January. It's not like clubs are happy to sell players during the winter unless they are garbage like those we have currently.

He did horrible.

Ronaldo was sold very late. We kept De Sciglio, Ramsey, Rabiot etc. We sold Frederiksen for peanuts after he had a good season and now is having another strong season at Vitesse. Demiral deal was ugly as fuck. Perin is still on the books and will walk away for free, etc etc. Literally all our midfielders away on loan are better performing than our experienced midfielders.

This was a very underwhelming mercato and even with limited resources he should’ve done a lot better.

 

[Bjerknes]

Just like this will be the winter of death and destruction in Covid, it will be a season of discontent and disappointment in the Juve winter mercato.

 

[Dostoevsky]

He did horrible.

Ronaldo was sold very late.

Dude. What happened with Ronaldo was literally last minute thing. He got a boner to leave in the last minute, then he got benched. It had nothing to do with our staff IMO, it's him who unexpectedly pushed for a move during the last days and keeping him as a drama queen at that point is not possible.

We kept De Sciglio, Ramsey, Rabiot etc. Perin is still on the books and will walk away for free, etc etc.

Do you know why they were not sold? Because all are shit. Some are even shit who earn A LOT of money. Again, it has nothing to do with him, but the one who signed those players.

 

[Jäger]

Such BS.

I'm not saying we did great in the summer but imo we didn't have the funds to operate, hence the long talks over Locatelli (gotta highlight how everyone wanted him). Kean might be a flop move but he's still young and talented, plus he came after a good season in Paris. It's a loan deal so we might not even trigger it, who knows.

Then another BS is how results are expected in January. That's just lol. We still don't have the cash plus it's January. It's not like clubs are happy to sell players during the winter unless they are garbage like those we have currently.

We were left in jeopardy when Ronaldo left with 4 days to go on the transfer market, giving us no time to fetch a replacement. I still think Kean for 40m was a bit of a knee-jerk panic-buy, which was a mistake, but I think with more time Bini could have acquired someone more prolific, even Vlahovic perhaps. The fault wasn't his but Ronaldo's. I'm also glad that he took his time to negotiate the best possible deal for Locatelli. If that was Paratici on the other hand...

 

[U Picciriddu]

Ronaldo was sold very late.

Dude. What happened with Ronaldo was literally last minute thing. He got a boner to leave in the last minute, then he got benched. It had nothing to do with our staff IMO, it's him who unexpectedly pushed for a move during the last days and keeping him as a drama queen at that point is not possible.



Do you know why they were not sold? Because all are shit. Some are even shit who earn A LOT of money. Again, it has nothing to do with him, but the one who signed those players.

I understand that Ronaldo’s case was a very specific and difficult one.

I don’t believe that this was the case with Rugani, De Sciglio, Bentancur, Perin and to a extend Rabiot and Ramsey. Even with both on high wages, sending them away on loan and maybe paying a part of their salary was a realistic option.

 

[Dostoevsky]

I understand that Ronaldo’s case was a very specific and difficult one.

I don’t believe that this was the case with Rugani, De Sciglio, Bentancur, Perin and to a extend Rabiot and Ramsey. Even with both on high wages, sending them away on loan and maybe paying a part of their salary was a realistic option.

To a extent? It's not possible to sell them with such wages. Literally impossible. We would have sold them had it been possible.

Despite what people think, this is not Football Manager. We're stuck with garbage because we signed them and gave them stupid contracts. No sane club would take them. Not only they get a lot of money but they play like shit. Why do you think sending them on a loan deal makes sense? Loan would be possible only if we pay their wages, which instantly makes it a stupid deal. But let's say we sent Rabiot and Bentancur on loans. What's the point of that? We wouldn't have players to field this season. We're not in a position to sign players either, our budget is obviously very limited. Such scenario is not possible imo.

And just to be clear, I'm not here to defend Cherubini. I was not happy when he was announced. I wanted us to get Luis Campos or Ragnick to change our staff with appropriate brains. But there are dozens of factors why Cherubini can't be blamed. He had nothing to do with Ronaldo and selling our players is not easy, plus it's even harder to spend so much in order to replace them. Replacing them with Witsel makes zero sense and I don't think we were in a position to get anyone better.

Just look at us. We'd sell Ramsey, Rabiot possibly some others too. In January you usually offload deadwood if possible. So I don't know how can anyone expect huge moves during the winter when clubs don't want to sell, or if they sell it's an inflated price (rightfully so).

 

[U Picciriddu]

To a extent? It's not possible to sell them with such wages. Literally impossible. We would have sold them had it been possible.

Despite what people think, this is not Football Manager. We're stuck with garbage because we signed them and gave them stupid contracts. No sane club would take them. Not only they get a lot of money but they play like shit. Why do you think sending them on a loan deal makes sense? Loan would be possible only if we pay their wages, which instantly makes it a stupid deal. But let's say we sent Rabiot and Bentancur on loans. What's the point of that? We wouldn't have players to field this season. We're not in a position to sign players either, our budget is obviously very limited. Such scenario is not possible imo.

And just to be clear, I'm not here to defend Cherubini. I was not happy when he was announced. I wanted us to get Luis Campos or Ragnick to change our staff with appropriate brains. But there are dozens of factors why Cherubini can't be blamed. He had nothing to do with Ronaldo and selling our players is not easy, plus it's even harder to spend so much in order to replace them. Replacing them with Witsel makes zero sense and I don't think we were in a position to get anyone better.

Just look at us. We'd sell Ramsey, Rabiot possibly some others too. In January you usually offload deadwood if possible. So I don't know how can anyone expect huge moves during the winter when clubs don't want to sell, or if they sell it's an inflated price (rightfully so).

We could easily saved some millions on Rabiot, Ramsey or Bentancur’s wages and put some faith in Ranocchia, Fagioli or Rovella. That could’ve easily been done, come on. What’s the point on keeping them, they cost us more than they would’ve done away on loan and they’re adding nothing.

And lets not forget that Demiral was a horrible deal, we got raped by Atalanta after they made a good profit on Romero, let’s not ignore this.

This was the last opportunity to get something for Perin who had a good season at Genoa. Will most likely walk away for free. Same for De Sciglio although he probably has less market, it felt like we didn’t even try.

As reported many times last summer we didn’t wanted to listen to any offer for Kulusevski and 4 months later we’re trying to sell him

There are a bunch of decisions he didn’t made that could’ve impacted this season in a different way, Cherubini had a very static mercato and accepted another season of players who are underperforming.

 

[Dostoevsky]

We could easily saved some millions on Rabiot, Ramsey or Bentancur’s wages and put some faith in Ranocchia, Fagioli or Rovella. That could’ve easily been done, come on. What’s the point on keeping them, they cost us more than they would’ve done away on loan and they’re adding nothing.

And lets not forget that Demiral was a horrible deal, we got raped by Atalanta after they made a good profit on Romero, let’s not ignore this.

This was the last opportunity to get something for Perin who had a good season at Genoa. Will most likely walk away for free. Same for De Sciglio although he probably has less market, it felt like we didn’t even try.

As reported many times last summer we didn’t wanted to listen to any offer for Kulusevski and 4 months later we’re trying to sell him

There are a bunch of decisions he didn’t made that could’ve impacted this season in a different way, Cherubini had a very static mercato and accepted another season of players who are underperforming.

And replace Perin? Replace De Sciglio? With what? We could only replace them with mediocrity at best.

Fagioli? It sounds like a FM move. That kid has everything to prove yet. Ranocchia? Come on. 99% of our youth never made it, it's just that people dream about us having a product from Primavera. It was only Marchisio and partially Giovinco. NOBODY else. Chance are high that these kid won't make it too. They should play in other teams before proving themselves here.

I totally agree about Demiral, 100% retarded deal.

 

[U Picciriddu]

And replace Perin? Replace De Sciglio? With what? We could only replace them with mediocrity at best.

Fagioli? It sounds like a FM move. That kid has everything to prove yet. Ranocchia? Come on. 99% of our youth never made it, it's just that people dream about us having a product from Primavera. It was only Marchisio and partially Giovinco. NOBODY else. Chance are high that these kid won't make it too. They should play in other teams before proving themselves here.

I totally agree about Demiral, 100% retarded deal.

You think it was impossible to find a low budget second goalie and save + receive money for Perin instead of paying the ~8m he costs per year. He played 3 games so far and I’d be surprised if he gets more than 7 games this season and it’s mostly out of generosity by Allegri.

Same for De Sciglio, honestly.

The marked part is really the way of thinking that got us into problems. As if we have some curse that players have to prove themself in order for us to buy them. We don’t have that luxury position anymore. What did Gavi do before becoming a starter at Barca? Or De Ligt at Ajax, Donnarumma at Milan, there are so many examples of players who were able to make the step to the seniors without a loan. The decision to keep the experienced players and not putting faith in not even one of those youngsters didn’t benefit the club whatsoever.

And even if one of Fagioli, Ranocchia or Rovella had their struggles this year if we kept them; we’d be cheaper off and at least we had someone with a future here. We are wasting time now.

By the way I’m not saying we should’ve kept all 3, but Ramsey away on loan (saving salary) and adding one of them would’ve positively effected our finances and perhaps our performances aswel. It was such an open door that they (Rabiot, Ramsey, Benta) would fail again this year. Cherubini accepted that, while there were other options.

 

[Siamak]

All crazy for Gianluca #Scamacca: #Sassuolo would not want to sell the young striker in January. Many clubs have shown interest: #Inter, #Juventus, #Fiorentina and #Arsenal are monitoring him for the next season. #transfers #AFC

[@NicoSchira]

 

[Dostoevsky]

You think it was impossible to find a low budget second goalie and save + receive money for Perin instead of paying the ~8m he costs per year. He played 3 games so far and I’d be surprised if he gets more than 7 games this season and it’s mostly out of generosity by Allegri.

Same for De Sciglio, honestly.

The marked part is really the way of thinking that got us into problems. As if we have some curse that players have to prove themself in order for us to buy them. We don’t have that luxury position anymore. What did Gavi do before becoming a starter at Barca? Or De Ligt at Ajax, Donnarumma at Milan, there are so many examples of players who were able to make the step to the seniors without a loan. The decision to keep the experienced players and not putting faith in not even one of those youngsters didn’t benefit the club whatsoever.

And even if one of Fagioli, Ranocchia or Rovella had their struggles this year if we kept them; we’d be cheaper off and at least we had someone with a future here. We are wasting time now.

By the way I’m not saying we should’ve kept all 3, but Ramsey away on loan (saving salary) and adding one of them would’ve positively effected our finances and perhaps our performances aswel. It was such an open door that they (Rabiot, Ramsey, Benta) would fail again this year. Cherubini accepted that, while there were other options.

You think someone would offer 4mln+ for Perin's wages? I don't think so. I think he's one of those players who don't really care about moving since he's earning a lot and he'd probably leave if somebody offers more which is quite unlikely.

There's a pattern there. Kids starting for clubs when they are their low, not their peak. Barcelona was like 10th, Milan had one of their worst periods and Ajax is, well, known for developing young players. I'm not saying no young player should ever start for us, but only extraordinary talent. We did it with Pogba. Are Fagioli and Ranocchia on such level? Maybe, I don't know, but I highly doubt they'll turn into 100mln+ players.

One more thing. You think Allegri had no part in this? He surely had his say when it comes to that situation.

Oh and why do you keep insisting on Ramsey? Seriously, which club would be so fucking stupid to buy not only a mediocre player, but a player on such wages wages who is also injured all the time? That's just easy to say but there's no way such things are possible. It's no rocket science and it's not like our board never thought of that. But it's just not possible. They all want to milk us since we gave them silly contracts.

 

[Paolino]

Official. Denis Zakaria has communicated to Borussia Mönchengladbach his plan to leave the club as free agent at the end of the season. ⚪️ #BMG FC Bayern, Barcelona, Juventus and two English clubs are in contact with his agent. Nothing agreed/decided yet. @FabrizioRomano

 

[Siamak]

Juventus & Parma are interested in signing Padova striker Luca Moro (20), who’s currently on loan at Catania. Sassuolo are the favorites to sign him as they are ready to offer €3m in order to sign him.

[Sky - Di Marzio via @khaledalnouss1]

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Andrea #Belotti is set to leave #Torino as free agent in summer. The italian striker has turned down #Newcastle’s bid. #Magpies were really interested in signing him. #transfers #NUFC

[@NicoSchira]

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@SassuoloUS signed the striker of Catania Luca #Moro. Deal worth 3mln. @cmdotcom

[@86_longo]

 

[U Picciriddu]

You think someone would offer 4mln+ for Perin's wages? I don't think so. I think he's one of those players who don't really care about moving since he's earning a lot and he'd probably leave if somebody offers more which is quite unlikely.

There's a pattern there. Kids starting for clubs when they are their low, not their peak. Barcelona was like 10th, Milan had one of their worst periods and Ajax is, well, known for developing young players. I'm not saying no young player should ever start for us, but only extraordinary talent. We did it with Pogba. Are Fagioli and Ranocchia on such level? Maybe, I don't know, but I highly doubt they'll turn into 100mln+ players.

One more thing. You think Allegri had no part in this? He surely had his say when it comes to that situation.

Oh and why do you keep insisting on Ramsey? Seriously, which club would be so fucking stupid to buy not only a mediocre player, but a player on such wages wages who is also injured all the time? That's just easy to say but there's no way such things are possible. It's no rocket science and it's not like our board never thought of that. But it's just not possible. They all want to milk us since we gave them silly contracts.

Perin is on 2.3m net and he’s always been a goalie who wants to play, I don’t understand why we didn’t sell him as he was transferable.

And we’re at a low aswel if you want to compare Barca’s situation to ours in regard to giving some time to youngsters.

Ramsey is someone who doesn’t have a negative name in the PL. He’s on 9m gross wages, if we found someone who wanted to pay half his salary, something that’s well within reach for most PL clubs, we would’ve saved 4,5m and we could’ve covered that with Fagioli or Ranocchia who cost less than 50k per year.

If you look to some opportunities we didn’t take, such as selling Perin (even if it’s for a minimal fee, and perhaps signing Sirigu who was a free agents and earns less than Perin does), not sending Ramsey away (that decision already costed us 4,5m) I get to the conclusion that Cherubini did the bare minimum last summer and that’s why I think we should be critical towards him. He made a fine deal on Loca, I’ll give him that. And please read good I never said that clubs would pay a transfer fee for Ramsey, I’ve been taking about loans.

I don’t know what Allegri’s take is in all of this. Personally I never believe that trainers in Italy get ignored regarding the mercato.