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    Shaqiri? Anyone of his profile? We're crying for some creativity and pace upfront. Why AM wasn't priority last Summer and why it's still not is beyond me tbh.
    :boh: Boggles me.

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    Dat dere mediocrity and depth :touched: :heart:

    More useful in Serie A and won't do shit for us in Europe :tup: :weee: :excited:
    and in the summer we pay for our own players. :touched:
     

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    Lion

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    Jan 24, 2007
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    calm down you hoez.

    you are delusional if you were expecting anything in the winter mercato.

    it's still too early to decide for summer mercato.
     

    Nenz

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    Apr 17, 2008
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    I think at least we'll bring in a CB of some description. There will be plenty of rumors about attacking-mids. Mata isn't going anywhere now he's making an impression at United. What's Shaqiri's status, though? If we have the disposable funds, he is a definite possibility but is he cup-tied? The sad thing is that we have young, dynamic players capable of making an impression in attack that aren't getting enough minutes to show what they're made of. Too much time on the bench can kill a players confidence. When they do get a chance they're in no physical or mental state to play at their best. Bringing in Falcao or Shaqiri just puts those players (Pereyra, Morata, Coman) further at the back of the queue.

    It begs the question - can we develop youth at big clubs, or is the prevailing methodology of the past (loan schemes) best? It's a question I still can't confidently answer. Training (and occasionally playing) in teams of a higher level comes with it's own benefits. You're an understudy to some of the best in the world. But the value of regular playing time, albeit in mid-table clubs and relegation fighting teams needs no explanation.

    All you can do is look at empirical examples and decide.

    One thing I do know is that it's time to load off Llorente and either find a class, experienced replacement or invest the time in Morata. Lord knows we invested the money.
     

    Lion

    King of Tuz
    Jan 24, 2007
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    for now all we can hope for is llorente injury so that morata can get a chance.

    it might sound cruel but look at pogba last season. he got to play as undisputed starter only because marchisio was out during first game of season. and since then we have not looked back.
     

    Xperd

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    Jun 1, 2012
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    Shaqiri? Anyone of his profile? We're crying for some creativity and pace upfront. Why AM wasn't priority last Summer and why it's still not is beyond me tbh.
    An AM would be a mistake again especially a classical one.All we need next summer is two dynamic wide men and we're good to go.
    This Juve needs width if we want to witness a less predictable style of play and possibly better results in Europe.
     

    j0ker

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    Jan 5, 2006
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    An AM would be a mistake again especially a classical one.All we need next summer is two dynamic wide men and we're good to go.
    This Juve needs width if we want to witness a less predictable style of play and possibly better results in Europe.
    Like who?

    Serious question.
     

    LiquidPLP

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    Jun 9, 2012
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    An AM would be a mistake again especially a classical one.All we need next summer is two dynamic wide men and we're good to go.
    This Juve needs width if we want to witness a less predictable style of play and possibly better results in Europe.
    While I definitely agree with this we can kill two birds with one stone. We could bring back Berardi or get Shaqiri so they could be used as wingers or AM. I know those names might not be good enough for some but we'll see if we are able to do better. Every window there are big hopes and then comes disappointment. Shaqiri for example plays wide for Bayern and AM behind forwards for his NT.

    To play a wing-based formation we'll need to have a different coach too I guess but that's another story.
     

    Xperd

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    Like who?

    Serious question.
    Dont classify Shaqiri as an AM.He is mostly an inside winger so he would be one.Signing him alone would be a big boost to our attack.
    The other would be a bit difficult to find considering budget constraints but im sure some opportunities might crop up in the summer.But yeah,you know what i mean,2015 should be a summer of flair and fancy signings for us.
    When i said 'classical Am' i meant players in the mold of Mata or Pastore where would be restricted to 4312 with no width to offer and the FB facing a 2 vs1 situation,thus getting 'found out' in Europe again just like how the 352 had its flaws.
     

    j0ker

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    Dont classify Shaqiri as an AM.He is mostly an inside winger so he would be one.Signing him alone would be a big boost to our attack.
    The other would be a bit difficult to find considering budget constraints but im sure some opportunities might crop up in the summer.But yeah,you know what i mean,2015 should be a summer of flair and fancy signings for us.
    When i said 'classical Am' i meant players in the mold of Mata or Pastore where would be restricted to 4312 with no width to offer and the FB facing a 2 vs1 situation,thus getting 'found out' in Europe again just like how the 352 had its flaws.
    Oh, I totally agree with you about that.

    I mean what quality wingers we can get?

    As you said Shaqiri alone ain't going to help us much, and TBH he isn't a top player.

    Not to mention that we need to pay for Pereyra. :sergio:
     

    zizinho

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    Apr 14, 2013
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    While I definitely agree with this we can kill two birds with one stone. We could bring back Berardi or get Shaqiri so they could be used as wingers or AM. I know those names might not be good enough for some but we'll see if we are able to do better. Every window there are big hopes and then comes disappointment. Shaqiri for example plays wide for Bayern and AM behind forwards for his NT.

    To play a wing-based formation we'll need to have a different coach too I guess but that's another story.
    Berardi and Shaqiri rotating would be excellent. they are different types of players and we would always have one on the bench who can come in and change something in our game. for a 4-3-2-1/4-3-3, having those two on the right side is good enough. we would still have to find another winger/AM to rotate with Coman though
     

    Xperd

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    Oh, I totally agree with you about that.

    I mean what quality wingers we can get?
    All depends on the budget.22m of next summer's budget is going to spent on Pereyra and Romulo.
    Shaqiri and Lacazzette would be the dream.In them,you'd get both a goalscoring winger as well as an assist-maker whilst fully being capable of taking on defenders as well.
    Otherwise there's Berardi but the problem here is both(Shaq and Berardi) are left footed and like to cut-inside.So out of the two,this team probably requires a Shaqiri more than a Berardi right now.
    There's also less fancied options like Patrick Herrmann,Andre Ayew,Konaplyanka etc who could all be useful to this team.Mind you,the 2nd winger signing doesnt necessarily have to be starter quality.
     

    jukazem

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    Feb 10, 2007
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    When i said 'classical Am' i meant players in the mold of Mata or Pastore where would be restricted to 4312 with no width to offer and the FB facing a 2 vs1 situation,thus getting 'found out' in Europe again just like how the 352 had its flaws.
    I think this is why Allegri plays a defensive minded Pereyra or Vidal (KPB in Milan) instead of Tevez or Coman or Giovinco in the AM role, to make it more like 442 when defending. With 4312, RCM and LCM have to support the fullbacks while leaves the centre with 1 man only unless the 'AM' supports the DM or regista.
    I have doubts if the board even wants a trequartista like Mata who doesn't offer much in defence.
     

    zizinho

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    Apr 14, 2013
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    All depends on the budget.22m of next summer's budget is going to spent on Pereyra and Romulo.
    Shaqiri and Lacazzette would be the dream.In them,you'd get both a goalscoring winger as well as an assist-maker whilst fully being capable of taking on defenders as well.
    Otherwise there's Berardi but the problem here is both(Shaq and Berardi) are left footed and like to cut-inside.So out of the two,this team probably requires a Shaqiri more than a Berardi right now.
    There's also less fancied options like Patrick Herrmann,Andre Ayew,Konaplyanka etc who could all be useful to this team.Mind you,the 2nd winger signing doesnt necessarily have to be starter quality.
    we still dont know if we will buy him. 14M on Pereyra, 15M on Berardi, 5.5M on Sturaro and 6-7M on Rugani is what we will do most likely. i think Romulo might be bought too but im not as sure as with those 4
     

    zizinho

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    we have to buy them though. Rugani is on co-own and in the summer all co-owns must be solved. Sturaro was decided last summer that we will pay 5.5M then and 5.5M now. its like we bought him for 11M in two installments. if we get someone on loan + option in january then its over 50M (Romulo included) to spend on our own players in the summer
     

    Pirlo's Beard

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    Oct 2, 2013
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    2015 Summer there's no fucking excuse for that poverty mid table serie A transfer business. Either we stfu about the economy and invest in the first XI or new owners who want something more than CL last 16 money and to dominate current Serie A

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    we have to buy them though. Rugani is on co-own and in the summer all co-owns must be solved. Sturaro was decided last summer that we will pay 5.5M then and 5.5M now. its like we bought him for 11M in two installments. if we get someone on loan + option in january then its over 50M (Romulo included) to spend on our own players in the summer
    I'd rather sell most of our so called prospects than dump 50M on them tbh, Rugani could be legit. I am really not impressed with these young players we keep getting who barely impress in shit clubs
     
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