Why are "artistic" movies so weird? (1 Viewer)

Martin

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Anyone wants to shed light on this? Not that I've seen hundreds upon hundreds of movies like this, but among the few dozen I've seen (latest: Rashomon) it seems to happen a lot, namely:

Emotional reactions out of proportion with the context.

What is that about? There are so many scenes where a character is like in a trance, not saying anything, not moving a muscle. Then suddenly starts laughing hysterically for no reason. In neither case does anyone else pay any attention to him.
 

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Martin said:
Anyone wants to shed light on this? Not that I've seen hundreds upon hundreds of movies like this, but among the few dozen I've seen (latest: Rashomon) it seems to happen a lot, namely:

Emotional reactions out of proportion with the context.

What is that about? There are so many scenes where a character is like in a trance, not saying anything, not moving a muscle. Then suddenly starts laughing hysterically for no reason. In neither case does anyone else pay any attention to him.
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My guess would be that art is meant to encompass anything and everything that illogical and absurd, or weird. When I see something that makes absolutely no sense, or when I witness a chain of events that cannot be considered in the slightest sense to be following a predictable, mundane pattern; I get emotionally charged.

I suppose that would be the point of these movies.
 
Gamaro

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Martin said:
Anyone wants to shed light on this? Not that I've seen hundreds upon hundreds of movies like this, but among the few dozen I've seen (latest: Rashomon) it seems to happen a lot, namely:

Emotional reactions out of proportion with the context.

What is that about? There are so many scenes where a character is like in a trance, not saying anything, not moving a muscle. Then suddenly starts laughing hysterically for no reason. In neither case does anyone else pay any attention to him.
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The thing is,they have to look differently for us,cos artists are the ones who are able to view and show the things in some ways that normal people can't.It's the artists' job to explore the relationship between the different emotions and reactions and try to link between them,so every artist tries the best to say what these emotions are all about,maybe they are wrong maybe they are right,or maybe it's only weird for you and there are many others who can get what the artist wants to say.

I recommend you to watch Marina Abramovic works,she is expert in explaining the relation between the different kinds of emotions,and through her works you can get how to watch artistic movies and get the message in them.
 
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Rashomon isn't what I would call an artistic movie. I'd file this under, "You ain't Japanese, Holmes."

The joke about most European art films being, of course, that the emotional play is entirely muted. E.g., your favorite:
 
FlavioJuve

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I think these type of movies are all 'in the eye of the beholder'. The creator of the movie hardly has a purpose for the movie, only to create a a change of mind to the ones watching it. As others mentioned before, the picture is made this way to create some sort of emotion to you.

I really don't like these type of movies, simply because I don't like to think while watching a movie, I prefer a nice plot or something, not to think about what could have been meant.
 
swag

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FlavioJuve said:
I think these type of movies are all 'in the eye of the beholder'. The creator of the movie hardly has a purpose for the movie, only to create a a change of mind to the ones watching it. As others mentioned before, the picture is made this way to create some sort of emotion to you.

I really don't like these type of movies, simply because I don't like to think while watching a movie, I prefer a nice plot or something, not to think about what could have been meant.
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In other words, you're saying that you prefer movies that assume the audience is stupid and spells everything out for them. :shifty:
 
FlavioJuve

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swag said:
In other words, you're saying that you prefer movies that assume the audience is stupid and spells everything out for them. :shifty:
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Also not true, I prefer a movie with a nice story, twisted ending or plot that you never saw coming. I have to relate to the topic/story and I am simply to lazy to question things I don't care about.
 
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Martin

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    swag said:
    Rashomon isn't what I would call an artistic movie. I'd file this under, "You ain't Japanese, Holmes."
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    For the most part. But there is some of that weirdness in it too that I mentioned.

    swag said:
    The joke about most European art films being, of course, that the emotional play is entirely muted. E.g., your favorite:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjC3R6jOtUo
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    This clip doesn't describe it. Let me try a different angle.

    Have you ever noticed that in say sitcoms the interaction between the characters seems really fake? And I don't mean because their personalities are fake. It's that they interact with each other as if their communication is 100% smooth, which never happens in real life. When talking they almost cut each other off, the responses are so quick, and their gestures reflect this too. They never mispronounce anything, they never sort of "lose sync" with each other. You watch that and you think "these people apparently understand each other perfectly all of the time".

    Well, what I meant about the weird emotionality in artistic movies takes the other extreme. Sometimes there doesn't seem to be any communication at all between the characters, as if each one was doing his thing oblivious to the presence of others. As if he were living that moment not in the presence of the others, but entirely in his own inner life, his own memories etc. That would certainly explain weird outbursts that have no time correspondence with the actions of the others.
     
    Bozi

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    seems to me that a movie like the one you are describing is attempting to show how socially isolated we have all become in todays society. we are never on our own,from forums to social networking,instant messaging,etc we have constant access to the people around us but at the same time we have lost all sense of bond and community with those we live closest to.

    it is very easy to put across the sort of persona you believe will be socially acceptable through these forms of media but how many of us actually say what we truly feel? we are starting to live a life of dual identity,sharing more and more of our private information with vast forms of communication but never truly communicating our true feelings with anyone


    or maybe the director is just a fucking whackjob
     
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