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- vOnAm -

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Jul 22, 2004
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swag said:
An interesting, though external, parallel, for example has less to do with dress and more to do with social context. Just as in some Muslim circles it is unacceptable for a woman to be seen out in the public streets without a husband or male family member escort, in places like southern Italy it was (and still kind of is) notorious for women walking alone to be viewed as lewd and lascivious ... and worthy of men's (often undesired) advances.
Yes it is a social context, although the dress or covering of the women's body (except the face and hands) is obligatory in Islam. Although it is not a terribly big sin (in my knowledge), some muslim women ignore it and take their chances with its sin. That might be why you thought it was optional.

In Indonesia, where the majority of muslim population exists, I can say perhaps only 50% wear the hijab, or jilbab as they are called here.
There are debates about obligating the Hijab, but for the momment, its not a legal obligation.
 

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- vOnAm -

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swag said:
Actually, I find this article offensive in much the same way someone might find it offensive that Westerners stereotype Islamic society as subjugating women by the hijab. The facts paraded around here suggest as much of the stereotyped and grossly oversimplified bullsh*t that Islamic societies are wrongly accused of. As if some cultures condone rape, etc., etc.

We're not getting any better at cultures mutually understanding each other by fighting misunderstanding and misconception by inciting more of the same on the reverse side. :disagree:
I think many of the authors are just trying to defend the culture. Remember, the arabs or Muslim did not go over to the West and demand that women be treated with respect by forbiding them to wear minimal clothing (which is the belief of this culture) or forcing them to wear the hijab.

Yes they judge that western culture towards women in their opinion is disrespectful and that the women themselves don't realize it. But regardless of their judgement, they don't pressure or demand the West to follow the muslim culture.

While exactly the opposite is happening, the west is pushing for a cultural takeover using Freedom and Liberalism as a their tool. They come and try to change a culture that they can't respect nor understand.

I wouldn't mind if the west judge a hijab as unnecessary, but to force or influence a culture that believes otherwise to leave their values is wrong.
 

king Ale

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Oct 28, 2004
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I'm supposed to be a Muslim but I'm not because I can't understand and accept many of its duties therefore I can't act like what a Muslim should.sure my religion is Islam in my ID card,but it's just in my ID card and it's just because my parents are Muslims.

When you live in a country that has some clear rules,you have to obey them even if some of those rules don't make sense for you.for example in Iran,women have to cover their hair and until I live in Iran I cover my hair because this is a rule and I have to obey it.

Covering the hair is a must in Islam but covering the face isn't.In southern parts of Iran and in some places in some Arabic countries,women are covering their face too.it more has a cultural reason and not a religious one.sure some of the women are forced to cover their face but it's not because of the rules of such places.rules are similar all over Iran but women are coverin their faces only in the southern parts.it has another reason.kind of traditional one.I know some of these women are forced by their fathers or husbands but many of them actually CHOOSE it themselves.

@Altair...I bet you have some roots in a Muslim country :D your comments and your knowledge inside it made me shocked :wink:

@Rami...spot on :thumbs:
 

- vOnAm -

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Jul 22, 2004
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king Ale said:
I'm supposed to be a Muslim but I'm not because I can't understand and accept many of its duties therefore I can't act like what a Muslim should.sure my religion is Islam in my ID card,but it's just in my ID card and it's just because my parents are Muslims.
Which duties do u mean (if I may ask)...

Are you still living in Iran?
 

HelterSkelter

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Apr 15, 2005
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the whole hijaab issue is pretty over-rated imo.the purpose of covering your body with things like a hijaab is to make women less 'sexually noticeable' to men,but then again you have women who would wear hijaabs but would also wear the tighest pants and shirts in the world,which doesnt leave much to the imagination.

where do the 'hijaab is vital' lines go then?if its not serving its purpose,then its of no use imo.and anyway,its all about your intentions.saying that a woman who doesnt wear a hijaab is un-islamic is one of those sad forms of extremism.the basic purpose is to make a woman less sexually noticeable,and if that can happen even without a hijaab,then thats fine imo.
 

AbuGadanzieri

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Jan 8, 2006
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salman said:
but then again you have women who would wear hijaabs but would also wear the tighest pants and shirts in the world.
this is not hijab because hijab is idea not dress hijab is to cover all body (without face hand and feet) with cloth that dot showit and it is not only what they wear on the head

some wemen cover heads but were short sleev this is not hijab

i think
 

PhRoZeN

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Mar 29, 2006
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Yes abu gadanzieri is partly right, the hijab is a loose term, infact from the quran the jilbab was a better word, nevertheless without too much confusion, the basic idea also prevents women wearing tight close, infact there is a hadith about that too.. I wont go into too much detail but its not all about just covering the head and/or body.
 

Juve Bella

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Jul 21, 2006
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i think hejab is about covering your hair that is the most important thing for a women ,precious things are always coverd kept in a secret place or in a box like treasures ,like a shiny diamond you don't see it shown to public very easily you'll see it locked in a safe box that doesn't allaw anybody to touch it ;that's what hejab is all about covering what really matters to you
 

Ramin

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Juve Bella said:
i think hejab is about covering your hair that is the most important thing for a women ,precious things are always coverd kept in a secret place or in a box like treasures ,like a shiny diamond you don't see it shown to public very easily you'll see it locked in a safe box that doesn't allaw anybody to touch it ;that's what hejab is all about covering what really matters to you
Thats probably the best example. :choc:
 

king Ale

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Oct 28, 2004
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Juve Bella said:
i think hejab is about covering your hair that is the most important thing for a women ,precious things are always coverd kept in a secret place or in a box like treasures ,like a shiny diamond you don't see it shown to public very easily you'll see it locked in a safe box that doesn't allaw anybody to touch it ;that's what hejab is all about covering what really matters to you
I respect this opinion but I fully disagree.

BTW,the point is that choosing is completely different with being forced.If you,yourself choose to cover that diamond in a safe box,I respect.but if you are forced to cover it,I'd be against it.
 

d.nico

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Apr 23, 2003
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king Ale said:
I respect this opinion but I fully disagree.

BTW,the point is that choosing is completely different with being forced.If you,yourself choose to cover that diamond in a safe box,I respect.but if you are forced to cover it,I'd be against it.
Sometime someone doesn't realize whether he/she choose to or be forced to.
 

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