What Are Your Top 5 Football Coaches/Managers? (1 Viewer)
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what i read in all posts i conclude that here belongs also two bigs name here
Sir Robert William Robson(Bobby Robson) nd Ancelotti
than i will go with
Lippi
Ferguson
Capello
Benitez
Wenger
Trapatoni
Pellegrini
Also i will include some new face
Roy Kean
Quique Sanchez Flores
Mark Huges
Gian Piero Gasparini
Delio Rossi
Stuart Pearce
Martin O Neill
etc etc
Sir Robert William Robson(Bobby Robson) nd Ancelotti
than i will go with
Lippi
Ferguson
Capello
Benitez
Wenger
Trapatoni
Pellegrini
Also i will include some new face
Roy Kean
Quique Sanchez Flores
Mark Huges
Gian Piero Gasparini
Delio Rossi
Stuart Pearce
Martin O Neill
etc etc
what i read in all posts i conclude that here belongs also two bigs name here
Sir Robert William Robson(Bobby Robson) nd Ancelotti
than i will go with
Lippi
Ferguson
Capello
Benitez
Wenger
Trapatoni
Pellegrini
Also i will include some new face
Roy Kean
Quique Sanchez Flores
Mark Huges
Gian Piero Gasparini
Delio Rossi
Stuart Pearce
Martin O Neill
etc etc
Sir Robert William Robson(Bobby Robson) nd Ancelotti
than i will go with
Lippi
Ferguson
Capello
Benitez
Wenger
Trapatoni
Pellegrini
Also i will include some new face
Roy Kean
Quique Sanchez Flores
Mark Huges
Gian Piero Gasparini
Delio Rossi
Stuart Pearce
Martin O Neill
etc etc
what i read in all posts i conclude that here belongs also two bigs name here
Sir Robert William Robson(Bobby Robson) nd Ancelotti
than i will go with
Lippi
Ferguson
Capello
Benitez
Wenger
Trapatoni
Pellegrini
Also i will include some new face
Roy Kean
Quique Sanchez Flores
Mark Huges
Gian Piero Gasparini
Delio Rossi
Stuart Pearce
Martin O Neill
etc etc
Sir Robert William Robson(Bobby Robson) nd Ancelotti
than i will go with
Lippi
Ferguson
Capello
Benitez
Wenger
Trapatoni
Pellegrini
Also i will include some new face
Roy Kean
Quique Sanchez Flores
Mark Huges
Gian Piero Gasparini
Delio Rossi
Stuart Pearce
Martin O Neill
etc etc
Let me ask you this if you take 2 scenarios 1) Brian clough like you said ran the show on his own, won the league with unfashionable Forest and the European cup twice; remember then to win the European cup you could face a side like Malmo of Sweden in the final which would not happen now.
The same scenario if you fast forward to present day has Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger controlling most if not all football dealings within their clubs
Scenario 2 Carlo Ancelloti at Milan, he does not bring the players in, most of the time they bring in players he does not want or need but he still managed to win the cl twice and serieA once.
Which of the 2 scenarios would you say the greater manager should come from?
Scenario 1 the manager does the buying and selling, responsible for everything but coaching as apart from Wenger, Ferguson and Clough did not do most of the coaching or
Scenario 2 the manager just gets on with his job of managing and coaching, the buying and selling of players are not entirely in his hands
Remember if we are just talking about European cups apart from Wenger they all won 2 each
The same scenario if you fast forward to present day has Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger controlling most if not all football dealings within their clubs
Scenario 2 Carlo Ancelloti at Milan, he does not bring the players in, most of the time they bring in players he does not want or need but he still managed to win the cl twice and serieA once.
Which of the 2 scenarios would you say the greater manager should come from?
Scenario 1 the manager does the buying and selling, responsible for everything but coaching as apart from Wenger, Ferguson and Clough did not do most of the coaching or
Scenario 2 the manager just gets on with his job of managing and coaching, the buying and selling of players are not entirely in his hands
Remember if we are just talking about European cups apart from Wenger they all won 2 each
It depends on the situation. While Carlo did well with what he had, Rijkaard had one of the best squads in the world when he won the Champions League. The reason why the latter won was IMO primarily due to the talent in the squad, not the coaching. Ancelotti also had a fantastic squad at his disposal, but I do give him credit for the way he got them together in Europe.
I suppose the best pure manager would be the one who can take whatever he's given and run with it, winning with what he has at his disposal. Managers such as those are very difficult to find. However, in my opinion, managers should be given the task of finding the footballers he wants to build the team he wants. Afterall, it's the manager's side. So the way Cloughie told the people above him to "sod off" so that he could formulate the team on his own was priceless and good for football in my view.
I suppose the best pure manager would be the one who can take whatever he's given and run with it, winning with what he has at his disposal. Managers such as those are very difficult to find. However, in my opinion, managers should be given the task of finding the footballers he wants to build the team he wants. Afterall, it's the manager's side. So the way Cloughie told the people above him to "sod off" so that he could formulate the team on his own was priceless and good for football in my view.
I did not always believe in Rikjaard's tactics but you have got to give the guy credit for sporting and then nurturing the talents of Messi, Iniesta, Krkic etc.
Yes he had a good squad but he was able to make then work as a unit with the help of Ten cate.
The reason I do not want to name my top managers is because with managers , you just don't know how much they really input unlike players where most things are visible.
I watching a documentary on West Germany on ESPN classic the other day and did you know that Helmut Schon had a nervous breakdown after West Germany lost to East Germany and it was Franz Beckenbauer that picked the team and tactics from then onwards in 1974 where they won the world cup?
Even with Rinus Michels, you do wonder between he and Cruyff, as to who used to pick the team and tactics.
Roy Keane blasted Carlos Querioz as he accused him of picking the way United played even if Fergie got all the praise.
It is very difficult to pump so much money into a club and not have any input at all as to what players you would like to see in your club; leaving all the decisions to a manager.
Clough was in an era when football was a sport and not a business and by the time football started to boom in England, he got Forest relegated in his last season.
Also Forest are not a big team so he couldmore or less get away with that as per telling the board where they could stick it
At Leeds after 45 days, they showed his ass the door as there was not a chance that he could get away with what he did at Derby County and Forest at Leeds United.
I have to say though that what Wenger has done at Arsenal with the budget he works within is absolutely phenomenal
Yes he had a good squad but he was able to make then work as a unit with the help of Ten cate.
The reason I do not want to name my top managers is because with managers , you just don't know how much they really input unlike players where most things are visible.
I watching a documentary on West Germany on ESPN classic the other day and did you know that Helmut Schon had a nervous breakdown after West Germany lost to East Germany and it was Franz Beckenbauer that picked the team and tactics from then onwards in 1974 where they won the world cup?
Even with Rinus Michels, you do wonder between he and Cruyff, as to who used to pick the team and tactics.
Roy Keane blasted Carlos Querioz as he accused him of picking the way United played even if Fergie got all the praise.
It is very difficult to pump so much money into a club and not have any input at all as to what players you would like to see in your club; leaving all the decisions to a manager.
Clough was in an era when football was a sport and not a business and by the time football started to boom in England, he got Forest relegated in his last season.
Also Forest are not a big team so he couldmore or less get away with that as per telling the board where they could stick it
At Leeds after 45 days, they showed his ass the door as there was not a chance that he could get away with what he did at Derby County and Forest at Leeds United.
I have to say though that what Wenger has done at Arsenal with the budget he works within is absolutely phenomenal
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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Louis van Gaal anywhere. Surely he's better than Arsène Wenger?
For me:
1) Gusztáv Sebes (Magical Magyars).
2) Rinus Michels (Holland's Total Football).
3) Helenio Herrera (the inventor of catenaccio).
4) Ernst Happel (league champions in 4 countries).
5) Arrigo Sacchi (you may not like Milan, but you can't deny the brilliance of his reign).
For me:
1) Gusztáv Sebes (Magical Magyars).
2) Rinus Michels (Holland's Total Football).
3) Helenio Herrera (the inventor of catenaccio).
4) Ernst Happel (league champions in 4 countries).
5) Arrigo Sacchi (you may not like Milan, but you can't deny the brilliance of his reign).
