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Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
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Both of my parents are doctors so I'm very well placed to say this. It usually takes you 2-3 days for an appointment. If it's urgent, you get to see the doctor the same day. Up until a few years ago, the doctor even came to you, instead of the other way around. They still do, but it happens much less these days.

Also, Belgium is pretty good when it comes to cutting edge medical techniques and what's more, a lot of those are paid for by the state.
:D I don’t remember the last time I tried to see my family doctor tbh
 

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Maddy

Oracle of Copenhagen
Jul 10, 2009
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That's because in well functioning democratic countries that aren't shitholes, people have long realised that everyone needs medical care at some point in their lives.

But somehow Americans are convinced that they are invincible. And then they die because they can't afford the medical procedure necessary to cure them.
Democracy and a terrible public education system is not a good marriage.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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:D I don’t remember the last time I tried to see my family doctor tbh
I know you're half joking, so my next point isn't really for you in particular, but it's something that always amuses me. Most Americans think everyone wants to live in their country or have medical procedures carried out there. Because the US is so much better in everything, right?

Well, I can guarantee you that if a Belgian is injured in the US, the first thing everyone will look into is if it's possible to get him home. No way anyone is going to risk leaving him in an American hospital when it isn't strictly necessary.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Democracy and a terrible public education system is not a good marriage.
These are two issues that are downright infuriating in the US.

It's one hell of a country, one of the most beautiful in the world, and it has some of the nicest people I've ever met, but I don't think I could ever live there.
 

X Æ A-12

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What do you do when you have a mole you think might be skin cancer? You wait three months?
Nah i look up local doctors that are in network. If i cant find one call out of network and many still take my insurance anyway, go next week and pay like 25$ copay

Maybe its location but i dont have these problems
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Nah i look up local doctors that are in network. If i cant find one call out of network and many still take my insurance anyway, go next week and pay like 25$ copay

Maybe its location but i dont have these problems

That could obviously be a factor in the US.
 

Enron

Tickle Me
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Oct 11, 2005
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Nah i look up local doctors that are in network. If i cant find one call out of network and many still take my insurance anyway, go next week and pay like 25$ copay

Maybe its location but i dont have these problems
That’s what I do as well, the only difference is that I realize I shouldn’t have to.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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So then it isnt a problem that you cant find healthcare you just dont have half an hour to call a few people? I think i would rather spend that half then pay twice as much in taxes
I don't think you realise that if it is paid for by the state, your own health insurance costs virtually nothing. More importantly, it also means that pretty much everything is covered. Insurance companies on the other hand try to avoid having to pay up. I'm sure there are plenty of cancer patients who can you tell you quite a few things about that particular problem.

The only way you can ever have affordable healthcare for all is if it happens through the state and is largely paid for by taxes.

If someone claims that he is an expert in this field and he is telling you otherwise, he is lying.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,320
Why do you need health insurance if it is paid for by the state?

And i get health i surance through my job so i pay very little for it already and still keep my paycheck

Let's say a medical bill for surgery is 3000€. The state would pay for example 2800€. You get health insurance for the extra 200€.

With your job it counts as benefits, so in a way that is a very real part of your salary. And then there's the question of what happens if you no longer have a job.
 

X Æ A-12

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To be honest i am not even against state paid healthcare just saying i have almost never encountered the problems that supposedly make the system here so bad and when i have a little research and effort provides solutions out of jams

I could imagine though that in some of the shittier states it is more of a problem
 

Enron

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Oct 11, 2005
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So then it isnt a problem that you cant find healthcare you just dont have half an hour to call a few people? I think i would rather spend that half then pay twice as much in taxes
I feel like if someone is my primary care physician, they should be somewhat available. Otherwise, why have them.

Also, I’m not arguing for or against either system. Pointing out that both have similar flaws. A simple fix would be to put a limit on the number of patients a primary care physician can have.
 

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