DAiDEViL

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Say your hobbies are playing football, video games and reading; can you wake up and do these things every day for a sustained period of time, like say 6 months?

Maybe you could, but I think I'd get bored of those things if they were meant to make up all my time. That's why they're hobbies; they're things you do for leisure and relaxation, to take a break from the grind. I don't think I could be leisurely all the time, but maybe some can.

I know quite a few people with all the time in the world to do what they want, and usually they end up doing nothing.
I sure could. Why not?

I won't get bored doing the things i love.

What about work though. Assuming you don't exactly love what you do for a living, doing the same things 6 days a week, for 40 years or so? Doesn't that sound bad? You just called it a "grind" yourself.
 

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IliveForJuve

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I sure could. Why not?

I won't get bored doing the things i love.

What about work though. Assuming you don't exactly love what you do for a living, doing the same things 6 days a week, for 40 years or so? Doesn't that sound bad? You just called it a "grind" yourself.
No one's yet explained to me exactly what's so great about slaving 50 years away on something that your hate/dislike.

As for you hobbies, you can always get new ones. Got tired of video games and football? Why not travel the world? Perhaps you can do some skiing on the Alps or enjoy a nice day summer day on a Spanish beach.

The possibilities are endless.
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
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I sure could. Why not?

I won't get bored doing the things i love.

What about work though. Assuming you don't exactly love what you do for a living, doing the same things 6 days a week, for 40 years or so? Doesn't that sound bad? You just called it a "grind" yourself.
I guess I'm not as passionate about my hobbies as you are. If I did them all the time, I would no longer see them as hobbies.

Of course it's bad. I'm not saying I want to work everyday until I retire. I'm actually working on making it such that I don't have to do that.

What I'm saying though is, even I could afford to not work for a living, I'd set up my life in a structured way to make use of my time in a productive and enjoyable way.



No one's yet explained to me exactly what's so great about slaving 50 years away on something that your hate/dislike.

As for you hobbies, you can always get new ones. Got tired of video games and football? Why not travel the world? Perhaps you can do some skiing on the Alps or enjoy a nice day summer day on a Spanish beach.

The possibilities are endless.
You can't see why people don't just travel the world as a lifestyle?
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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Robots and automation will exclude the need of uneducated labour. The current fertility rate is sustainable.
This is an educated guess though. I agree with you that it is likely. I also think governments need to prepare for a big part of the entire population that might not have a meaningful job to do. But so far robots and automation have not yet completely excluded this need. Far from it. We don't know for sure if or when this will happen either.
:agree:

This will be a big challenge in the 21st century. People need meaningful occupation to thrive, so governments must find solutions to do this.
While technology, AI and automation are certainly going to have a huge effect on jobs, work and labor, I think eventually they will create just as much work as they replace. I think most jobs will require different skill sets, a large number of jobs will change and of course some jobs will be fully automated and no longer necessary. But like other major technological advancements in the past, this one will also create a significant number of jobs and occupations that didn't exist before. So I don't believe for one second that we are heading into a scenario where we will no longer need to work, I think that is way too far fetched a scenario.

For example, I don't see knowledge workers ,especially those whose jobs require soft skills like managing people, providing advisory services in complex non-routine fields, communication, negotiation and such, losing their work to automation. I think those kind of jobs are going to be affected by automation, and they'll have to adapt to a more data driven and digital economy, but we will always need knowledge workers.

So to go back to the point about aging populations needing immigration, I think that will still stand. But again, these countries need to focus on getting immigration right.
 

Dostoevsky

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Because it's harder to get a job if you're unemployed.
Why?

A skill could be a radiology tech or a business analyst cert, it's not glamorous but imo it has a good income to lifestyle ratio. And besides the obvious reasons, you stay at your job because generally you are more productive in a routine and for most it is hard to stick to a self imposed routine
More productive? Yeah, if by productive you mean finishing your work in a 8-10 hour shift. But after the learning peak, which is quite short, you as an individual are stagnating or worse. And even when you come home from work, being tired and drained you have 5-6 hours to spend before hitting the bed. That's a lot of wasted time being thrown around. If person stays focus that time can be used way smarter. It's "just" the money.
 

Dostoevsky

Tzu
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Yes, it's not really harder. Probably it's psychological harder for you, 'cause there's this pressure that you sooner or later need to get an acceptance, maybe ILFJ meant that :boh:
..but to get the job in the end there shouldn't be any difference, imo.
If anything, you can only get the "why do you want to leave your current work" type of question. One can only like and spread BS how he looks for a bigger challenger, though.
 

IliveForJuve

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I guess I'm not as passionate about my hobbies as you are. If I did them all the time, I would no longer see them as hobbies.

Of course it's bad. I'm not saying I want to work everyday until I retire. I'm actually working on making it such that I don't have to do that.

What I'm saying though is, even I could afford to not work for a living, I'd set up my life in a structured way to make use of my time in a productive and enjoyable way.



You can't see why people don't just travel the world as a lifestyle?
Most people don't travel the world because they don't know how to pull it off. As we all know, most people are employed, and therefore tied to a determined workplace. They aren't free to go anywhere.

There are many ways to escape the rat race or at least to design your life in a way that you're not obliged to stay in one place all the time.
 

Quetzalcoatl

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Aug 22, 2007
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Most people don't travel the world because they don't know how to pull it off. As we all know, most people are employed, and therefore tied to a determined workplace. They aren't free to go anywhere.

There are many ways to escape the rat race or at least to design your life in a way that you're not obliged to stay in one place all the time.
What? No
 

IliveForJuve

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Boy are you that of touch? Traveling is a luxury most people cannot afford
That's why I said that there are ways to escape the rat race (entrepreneurship) or design your life in a way that allows you to be anywhere in the world while still working (tsk tsk, the internet makes everything possible).

Sure, if you just lead a scripted life (go to school, get a job, save 20% of your income and retire at 65) like most people, you won't get to travel the world or enjoy most of your time doing the things you love. You'll be trading 5/7 of your life for money.

I know it seems like fantasy to you that people can break free from such scripted life but those are the same self limiting beliefs that keep people working a job they hate until they're old and tired.
 

Maddy

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That's why I said that there are ways to escape the rat race (entrepreneurship) or design your life in a way that allows you to be anywhere in the world while still working (tsk tsk, the internet makes everything possible).

Sure, if you just lead a scripted life (go to school, get a job, save 20% of your income and retire at 65) like most people, you won't get to travel the world or enjoy most of your time doing the things you love. You'll be trading 5/7 of your life for money.

I know it seems like fantasy to you that people can break free from such scripted life but those are the same self limiting beliefs that keep people working a job they hate until they're old and tired.
Soemones been reading too many motivational quotes on instagram :lol:

Read soem Epictetus, Seneca or Aurelius instead.
 

Quetzalcoatl

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Aug 22, 2007
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That's why I said that there are ways to escape the rat race (entrepreneurship) or design your life in a way that allows you to be anywhere in the world while still working (tsk tsk, the internet makes everything possible).

Sure, if you just lead a scripted life (go to school, get a job, save 20% of your income and retire at 65) like most people, you won't get to travel the world or enjoy most of your time doing the things you love. You'll be trading 5/7 of your life for money.

I know it seems like fantasy to you that people can break free from such scripted life but those are the same self limiting beliefs that keep people working a job they hate until they're old and tired.
I don't think you've read a word I said... you're talking about something completely different.

But apart from that...

- entrepreneurship is in most cases, more of a rat race than 9 to 5. It's much harder work, not as glorious as you think. Yes, I know personally, which makes the rest of your post silly assumptions. Lol and having your own business does not mean you just have money to travel the world.

- if its that simple, why are you still working in a job where you want to get fired?
 

IliveForJuve

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I don't think you've read a word I said... you're talking about something completely different.

But apart from that...

- entrepreneurship is in most cases, more of a rat race than 9 to 5. It's much harder work, not as glorious as you think. Yes, I know personally, which makes the rest of your post silly assumptions. Lol and having your own business does not mean you just have money to travel the world.

- if its that simple, why are you still working in a job where you want to get fired?
Oh, good lord. Yes, you gotta work hard to make money as an entrepreneur but the whole point is to later have money working for you instead. Otherwise, you've only created a job for yourself.

I only started my business a month and a half ago. Lol, I'm not gonna become a millionaire overnight or have the whole thing automated just yet. I'm working a job because (1) I need to fund my busines and (2) I need FU money, as all the income my biz produces is going to be reinvested along with a part of my salary.

You can be sure that I'll quit my job once I'm certain this business is sustainable and scalable.
 

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