What Are You Doing Right Now? (317 Viewers)

[Fred]

More drama please.

We're too old for that shit now. We leave that to Zachareyah, Rus, and whoever else is making the headlines these days at the Tuz

 

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[Seven]

There is a middle ground between cultural relativism and cultural imperialism. My impression is that you're dipping into the second category which is utopian and brings a plethora of negative consequences with it. It seems like you're writing from a kantian perspective in regards to universal human rights, so you have a normative instilled. What you're writing and how you're writing it is exactly the problem of the concept of human rights and why it isn't applicable in international law today. States in Western Europe such as Italy, France, Hungary and Bulgaria have in the last year failed to treat people of a certain ethnicity with any degree of dignity - once you betray your own ideals it becomes a futile task to bash someone else over the head with them.

There is a middle ground, you're right about that. And I am well aware that human rights, in the past, have been designed by western states. But I still think they should apply universally.

And yes, I do have a normative instilled. It is not a problem however. In fact, it's unavoidable.

But the really interesting part is where you said that Italy and France (I'd hardly call Hungary and Bulgaria Western Europe) have failed to treat people of a certain ethnicity with any degree of dignity. I can guess as to what you're referring, but I'm curious. Explain.

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It's a quick dick measuring tool for the self perceived western intelligentsia

It is, but I did not mean it that way. An expat studying history and talking about cultural relativism and cultural imperialism is hardly surprising. That's why I asked.

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Henry is a cool dude especially because of his Arsenal past!!

It's his only past. Without Arsenal (and to a certain amount the French national team) Henry would have had a very average career.

 

[Fred]

It's his only past. Without Arsenal (and to a certain amount the French national team) Henry would have had a very average career.

But thats because he spent his prime at Arsenal. Imagine if Messi moved to another team when he was over 30, most probably you'd say the same about him.

 

[Seven]

But thats because he spent his prime at Arsenal. Imagine if Messi moved to another team when he was over 30, most probably you'd say the same about him.

That's very likely, but we're talking about his past. I have little doubt that had Henry stayed at Juventus he would have been great here. But he didn't. So instead of a Juventus legend he is now an Arsenal legend.

It isn't meant as a form of criticism towards Henry. All I'm saying is that you can't really think of Henry without thinking of Arsenal.

 

[Nzoric]

There is a middle ground, you're right about that. And I am well aware that human rights, in the past, have been designed by western states. But I still think they should apply universally.

And yes, I do have a normative instilled. It is not a problem however. In fact, it's unavoidable.

But the really interesting part is where you said that Italy and France (I'd hardly call Hungary and Bulgaria Western Europe) have failed to treat people of a certain ethnicity with any degree of dignity. I can guess as to what you're referring, but I'm curious. Explain.

If you have a moral normative instilled and you're working from that, then you must be able to see the problem with breaking human rights at home but trying to uphold them abroad, regardless of the scale. Fact is that we've lost any sort of ideological high ground by only subscribing to the idea of human rights when it is suiting.

France and Italy?

France: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...rder-systematic-eviction-of-Roma-gypsies.html

Italy: http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2063399,00.html

the EU as a whole:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/03/mediterranean-migrant-deaths-avoidable-loss

http://www.statewatch.org/news/2007/sep/07italy-tunisia-fishermen.htm

These aren't sources exclusively from the past year, but you get the picture. I would say that the immigration problem in the mediterranean is as pressing as the Syrian refugee problem (yet another place where the EU has failed miserably in upholding any sort of standard).

 

[ALC]

It is, but I did not mean it that way. An expat studying history and talking about cultural relativism and cultural imperialism is hardly surprising. That's why I asked.

Why is it so common for expats to do that?

 

[Nzoric]

It is, but I did not mean it that way. An expat studying history and talking about cultural relativism and cultural imperialism is hardly surprising. That's why I asked.

Why not talk about it when those are the fitting terms when dealing with the subject at hand?

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and I wouldn't label myself an expat, since I was a little older than 6 months when we arrived in Denmark. I'm a potato, sadly.

 

[Raz]

We're too old for that shit now. We leave that to Zachareyah, Rus, and whoever else is making the headlines these days at the Tuz

Yeah, I just want to read

 

[Seven]

If you have a moral normative instilled and you're working from that, then you must be able to see the problem with breaking human rights at home but trying to uphold them abroad, regardless of the scale. Fact is that we've lost any sort of ideological high ground by only subscribing to the idea of human rights when it is suiting.

France and Italy?

France: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...rder-systematic-eviction-of-Roma-gypsies.html

Italy: http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2063399,00.html

the EU as a whole:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/03/mediterranean-migrant-deaths-avoidable-loss

http://www.statewatch.org/news/2007/sep/07italy-tunisia-fishermen.htm

These aren't sources exclusively from the past year, but you get the picture. I would say that the immigration problem in the mediterranean is as pressing as the Syrian refugee problem (yet another place where the EU has failed miserably in upholding any sort of standard).

So now you're an immigrant, who has studied history, a human science, talking about the immigration problems of the EU and pointing fingers. Surely you understand why I asked where you were from and what you studied?

You're making a couple of mistakes though. You said that Italy and France have failed to treat people with a certain ethnicity with the respect they deserve. "Immigrants" however exist in several forms.

Furthermore the right to asylum is subject to a whole range of conditions. Most of which are not met in most cases.

I'm not really sure which other exact human rights have been violated.. Please explain and give me the correct articles of the Declaration.

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Why is it so common for expats to do that?

Because they have a natural interest in comparing cultures.

 

[Osman]

Time to watch Donald duck & friends Merry Christmas beeches.

 

[Dostoevsky]

It's 24th of December and there's like 15-16 degrees outside. That's crazy... but not that I'm complaining.

It won't last long though since on Friday arrives the cold wave of 0 and below.

 

[Salvo]

Merry Christmas Faggots.

 

[Seven]

It's 24th of December and there's like 15-16 degrees outside. That's crazy... but not that I'm complaining.

It won't last long though since on Friday arrives the cold wave of 0 and below.

The Day After Tomorrow.

 

[Dostoevsky]

that's one crappy movie but I can always watch it during the winter for some reason.

 

[Salvo]

How does it feel knowing that we Aussies live in the future?

 

[Seven]

How does it feel knowing that we Aussies live in the future?

Arbitrary.

 

[Salvo]

Mmm maybe.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Time to watch Donald duck & friends Merry Christmas beeches.

You've been a.. hoe hoe hoe.

Spoiler

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

No Tuz awards this year? @Dule90

 

[Salvo]