The guy you were talking about. You should have asked him if a Norwegian could support the Azzurri since they are part of the same continent.
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On some levels. I understand why Italian Americans like Italy so much. It's ingrained into their culture. At the same time many of them would root against the US even if they weren't playing the Azzurri and to me that's odd. It's living in the past. It's like Guiseppe Rossi claiming he's an American at all times, except on the pitch.
I don't really think we're ever going to disagree on this point. It's really hard to understand our point until you've been pelted by toilet paper at a NT match in your own country. Though I am a bit more understanding on this issue that Andy or Burke.
I don't really think we're ever going to disagree on this point. It's really hard to understand our point until you've been pelted by toilet paper at a NT match in your own country. Though I am a bit more understanding on this issue that Andy or Burke.
When the U.S. plays some Central American team on home soil and sees itself outnumbered 5:1 in supporters in the stands, it's not because all those people are Honduran or Guatemalan citizens in this country illegally. Even if Arizona wants you to believe that.
Those national identities, even if past or through ancestry or whatnot, give people clique identities within broader contexts. Look at Spain, for example. Even with Euro 2008, you could still make the argument that being Catalan or Basque is far more important than some Spanish identity.
I think the piece that Andy might be missing is that it's human nature to want to belong to some subset or clique. America is too broad of a melting pot for many to always identify with so closely. Hence why the terms Mexican-American, Italian-American, Ukrainian-American, etc., etc. Whether it's a street gang in West Side Story, North Siders vs. South Siders in Chicago, or a U.S. citizen cheering for Honduras when they're playing USA in Columbus, OH, there's a human psychological need to identify with a niche social affinity.
Pretending that doesn't exist, even as illogical as it may seem, is a bit of a naive way to look at the world. Supporting a club or an NT always involves some form of personal identity. And those definitions of identity don't always start and end with a passport.
Those national identities, even if past or through ancestry or whatnot, give people clique identities within broader contexts. Look at Spain, for example. Even with Euro 2008, you could still make the argument that being Catalan or Basque is far more important than some Spanish identity.
I think the piece that Andy might be missing is that it's human nature to want to belong to some subset or clique. America is too broad of a melting pot for many to always identify with so closely. Hence why the terms Mexican-American, Italian-American, Ukrainian-American, etc., etc. Whether it's a street gang in West Side Story, North Siders vs. South Siders in Chicago, or a U.S. citizen cheering for Honduras when they're playing USA in Columbus, OH, there's a human psychological need to identify with a niche social affinity.
Pretending that doesn't exist, even as illogical as it may seem, is a bit of a naive way to look at the world. Supporting a club or an NT always involves some form of personal identity. And those definitions of identity don't always start and end with a passport.