What Are You Doing Right Now? (335 Viewers)

[Jem83]

murder is met with a death penalty or life imprisonment. unless it's not intentional and the judge and jury decide based on a case by case basis. it's a lot more diverse than rape/molestation. i'm gonna go ahead and call that a fallacy.

Sadly, in some states and countries, yes

But many countries don't practice it, so it's only a fallacy depending on where you're from. I think swag made a valid comparison, to be honest.

Both types of criminal offences are very severe and should be punished, no one is disputing that. The issue at hand is whether all people have a minimum right to privacy, and, whether or not the punishment should be about something else than just the punishment-part, like promoting the individual's chances of getting better and increasing his or her chances of getting to live a better life by becoming part of society again.

 

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[swag]

The rehabilitation theory seems to have mostly been proven as a crock. But I still think it's the best salvageable solution for victim, criminal, and the tax-paying state. The other options just mostly pile on additional losses.

 

[Jem83]

The rehabilitation theory seems to have mostly been proven as a crock. But I still think it's the best salvageable solution for victim, criminal, and the tax-paying state.

Yeah, the rehabilitation theories have been challenged, but that's a good thing. American scientists in particular have been very active in this area, such as Clemmer, Stanton Wheeler, Sykes, Messinger. There have been many studies. But the studies aren't all negative and in my opinion we shouldn't give up on this aspect of punishment entirely. Only re-think the ways punishments are handed out.

 

[ALC]

But murder comes in various degrees -- some that a D.A. can find convictable based on the evidence and any mitigating circumstances, but others not. A 2nd degree murder conviction in California can get you just 15 years in California with the possibility of early release/parole.

I'm not even talking manslaughter here.



IMO, no matter what the laws, the system clearly doesn't do enough to support victims.

i know, that's why i said murder is a lot more diverse than rape and molestation. a 2nd degree murder is not intentional so that's why it's not life in prison.

Sadly, in some states and countries, yes

But many countries don't practice it, so it's only a fallacy depending on where you're from. I think swag made a valid comparison, to be honest.

Both types of criminal offences are very severe and should be punished, no one is disputing that. The issue at hand is whether all people have a minimum right to privacy, and, whether or not the punishment should be about something else than just the punishment-part, like promoting the individual's chances of getting better and increasing his or her chances of getting to live a better life by becoming part of society again.

they have a right to privacy. just as long as people in their community know what they've done. this is to protect the community first and foremost. if i had a kid and a child molester moves in near, i would really appreciate knowing.

 

[Jem83]

Yeah, but that's where the breach of a right to privacy lies. It's information about that individual's innermost private sphere, information he or she doesn't want to come out. And by being public, the individual's chances of making a better life for him- or herself greatly decreases. In this case, I would even say it diminishes. Imagine, for instance, how difficult it would be for such a person to find a job?

I respect your stance on the matter, though. It's a delicate topic. But it's a clear human rights issue, as protecting an individual or a minority from the will and the needs of the majority / general public / State is precisely what human rights are about.

 

[Ragazza]

IMO, no matter what the laws, the system clearly doesn't do enough to support victims.

Between that & how much the media spins things around to blame the victim, unfortunately there's really not a whole lot of incentive to go through the whole process of trying to get the rapist put away.

 

[ALC]

Yeah, but that's where the breach of a right to privacy lies. It's information about that individual's innermost private sphere, information he or she doesn't want to come out. And by being public, the individual's chances of making a better life for him- or herself greatly decreases. In this case, I would even say it diminishes. Imagine, for instance, how difficult it would be for such a person to find a job?

I respect your stance on the matter, though. It's a delicate topic. But it's a clear human rights issue, as protecting an individual or a minority from the will and the needs of the majority / general public / State is precisely what human rights are about.

cool then, let's just agree to disagree

 

[Jem83]

That we can

I think our stances are on the far extreme ends of eachother anyway, so there's no point in trying to bridge the gap, really.

You fucking bloodthirsty yank

 

[ALC]

is that smiley supposed to be poking me with a stick?

you pale norwegian.

 

[Jem83]

Yes, it's a stick, my dick is not deformed, nor is it dark brown.

Pale & proud baby

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Holy shit that didn't sound too good

 

[Ragazza]

 

[swag]

Between that & how much the media spins things around to blame the victim, unfortunately there's really not a whole lot of incentive to go through the whole process of trying to get the rapist put away.

A lot of the victim-blaming is a self-defense mechanism -- an emotional crutch to believe that they're on the side of "us" and could never be on the side of "them".

 

[Enron]

Yes, it's a stick, my dick is not deformed, nor is it dark brown.

Pale & proud baby

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Holy shit that didn't sound too good

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you just made a stance for White Pride.

 

[Ragazza]

Talking about human rights.

 

[Enron]

Those scandinavians and their neo-nazi sub culture. I blame the black metal.

 

[Ragazza]

Those scandinavians and their neo-nazi sub culture. I blame the black metal.

 

[Jem83]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you just made a stance for White Pride.

Just realized straight after

Note to self: practice public speaking once you graduate

Oh Varg.

If you could've just kept it about the music :depressed

 

[ZoSo]

You guy remember the hooligans that caused that Euro qualifier between Italy and Serbia to be abandoned? The ring leader Ivan Bogdanov:

Back then:

Now:

seems like a nice fellow

 

[Ragazza]

Oh Varg.

If you could've just kept it about the music :depressed

#TeamEuronymous

Nah, I did a paper in uni about the history of black metal, crazy stuff. Some good music though.

 

[Jem83]