Apr 15, 2006
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I am not a christian, I am not stupid - I do not want to be associated with it.

I don't need to buy people things to prove i love them, I don't feel comfortable having a day in which we celebrate western glutony whilst millions around the world starve, I dont like people digging themselves deeper into debt to pay for this 'celebration'.

If today was a day where everyone goes out and cleans up some rubbish from the sides of roads, cleans up local parks, spends time with the elderly etc. etc. as part of an ongoing commitment to being a productive person forever I would fucking love today, today would be the happiest day of my life. But it isnt, it is a cynical day that celebrates everything that is false about humanity and I fucking despise it.

In other news, it was noel reddings birthday today :D
Take it easy man. Just ignore em. We gotta deal with such people. Bitching and moaning is not gonna help.
 

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Ford Prefect

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May 28, 2009
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Seriously. I have Hindu coworkers who say Merry Christmas to each other.

I think the only thing you're proving, Jasper, is that you're a wet blanket and you're so self-centered as to think everything is personally about you. And I mean that in a constructive way.
I don't want to be associated with anything to do with the it, I don't want people to think that I am. The equivilant of what someone is say to me is 'I hope you enjoy the day where waste, greed & ignoranccee is celebrated'.

I couldn't give a fuck if other people are too stupid to see that this is all it is about - spend spend spend.

The teachings of jesus in the new testemant are more in line with what I have suggested for the day than what happens.

Every single bullshit argument anyone can put up defending christmas I can destroy really easily.

If you guys feel comfortable celebrating humanity at its worst, then go for it...it wont change that I get offended being associated with it.

And Swag one of my friends from Ahmedabad who adheres to one of the hindu doctrines sent me a message on facebook this morning saying happy christmas...i told him to fuck off.

And you want to call me self centred?

Go fuck yourself, I spent this afternoon in a soup kitchen in tunbridge wells because i felt so fucking awful. I want to work for a humanitarian NGO raising awareness and doing sustainabe charitable work after I finish my MA and you want to call me self centred?
 

IliveForJuve

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Jan 17, 2011
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And if you were you would understand why that makes no sense.
It's stupid to get butthurt over the things other people do with their lives. Did you know what I got for Christmas? Nothing because I don't care about the presents but I don't whine when people buy presents for their loved ones. It's their money, if they want to wipe their ass with it it's not my problem and it's not your problem. It's not like they're robbing you or something!
 

Ford Prefect

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May 28, 2009
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It's stupid to get butthurt over the things other people do with their lives. Did you know what I got for Christmas? Nothing because I don't care about the presents but I don't whine when people buy presents for their loved ones. It's their money, if they want to wipe their ass with it it's not my problem and it's not your problem. It's not like they're robbing you or something!
The easiest way to disprove you (as it is almost 2 am and I just wanted to rant and wasn't expecting a challenge) is reductio ad absurdum, something I hate using.

How do you feel about how the following people spent their lives - Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Osama Bin Laden, Ghadaffi etc.

You accroding to your location live in Bolivia...not the UK, you don't see what happens here over christmas. The sheer ludricrous ammounts of money that gets wasted on a day. The environmental impications of that day, the cynical ideologies that surround that day etc. etc.

I didn't get anything either but some families in africa got some goats.
 

Fint

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Aug 13, 2010
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be a proper Irishman, JFG, and go thru all of it :p


Happy Holidays all around, guys and gals :xmas:
Hppy xmas to you too ac

Two bottles down, contemplating the third, but al my fam have gone to bed so i think that would make me a yotal alcohilc ? Smoked the nicest cuban cigar earlier
 

X Æ A-12

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Sep 4, 2006
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I don't want to be associated with anything to do with the it, I don't want people to think that I am. The equivilant of what someone is say to me is 'I hope you enjoy the day where waste, greed & ignoranccee is celebrated'.

I couldn't give a fuck if other people are too stupid to see that this is all it is about - spend spend spend.

The teachings of jesus in the new testemant are more in line with what I have suggested for the day than what happens.

Every single bullshit argument anyone can put up defending christmas I can destroy really easily.

If you guys feel comfortable celebrating humanity at its worst, then go for it...it wont change that I get offended being associated with it.

And Swag one of my friends from Ahmedabad who adheres to one of the hindu doctrines sent me a message on facebook this morning saying happy christmas...i told him to fuck off.

And you want to call me self centred?

Go fuck yourself, I spent this afternoon in a soup kitchen in tunbridge wells because i felt so fucking awful. I want to work for a humanitarian NGO raising awareness and doing sustainabe charitable work after I finish my MA and you want to call me self centred?
Narcissistic is probably a better word.
 

IliveForJuve

Burn this club
Jan 17, 2011
18,933
The easiest way to disprove you (as it is almost 2 am and I just wanted to rant and wasn't expecting a challenge) is reductio ad absurdum, something I hate using.

How do you feel about how the following people spent their lives - Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Osama Bin Laden, Ghadaffi etc.

You accroding to your location live in Bolivia...not the UK, you don't see what happens here over christmas. The sheer ludricrous ammounts of money that gets wasted on a day. The environmental impications of that day, the cynical ideologies that surround that day etc. etc.

I didn't get anything either but some families in africa got some goats.
If it doesn't affect me, why care? That's what I say.

EDIT: I meant that as in you can't compare Christmas with Osama.
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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I don't want to be associated with anything to do with the it, I don't want people to think that I am. The equivilant of what someone is say to me is 'I hope you enjoy the day where waste, greed & ignoranccee is celebrated'.

I couldn't give a fuck if other people are too stupid to see that this is all it is about - spend spend spend.

The teachings of jesus in the new testemant are more in line with what I have suggested for the day than what happens.

Every single bullshit argument anyone can put up defending christmas I can destroy really easily.

If you guys feel comfortable celebrating humanity at its worst, then go for it...it wont change that I get offended being associated with it.

And Swag one of my friends from Ahmedabad who adheres to one of the hindu doctrines sent me a message on facebook this morning saying happy christmas...i told him to fuck off.

And you want to call me self centred?

Go fuck yourself, I spent this afternoon in a soup kitchen in tunbridge wells because i felt so fucking awful. I want to work for a humanitarian NGO raising awareness and doing sustainabe charitable work after I finish my MA and you want to call me self centred?
This world is suffering more than enough over people who are intentionally being hurt. To choose to take insult where none was intended is really an affront to those who are truly suffering in the world.

First World Problems rarely get as good as this.
 

Ford Prefect

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May 28, 2009
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Narcissistic is probably a better word.
nar·cis·sism (närs-szm) also nar·cism (-szm)
n.
1. Excessive love or admiration of oneself. See Synonyms at conceit.
2. A psychological condition characterized by self-preoccupation, lack of empathy, and unconscious deficits in self-esteem.
3. Erotic pleasure derived from contemplation or admiration of one's own body or self, especially as a fixation on or a regression to an infantile stage of development.
4. The attribute of the human psyche charactized by admiration of oneself but within normal limits.

Explain...im listening.
 

ALC

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Oct 28, 2010
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It's Christmas ffs, everyone celebrates it. We've been hooked on to it since we were kids because of Santa, the tree, the presents, the food, etc etc. Call it brainwashing if you want but the truth is that everyone one loves it and doesn't care about the history behind it nor the meaning of it.
 

Ford Prefect

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May 28, 2009
10,557
It's Christmas ffs, everyone celebrates it. We've been hooked on to it since we were kids because of Santa, the tree, the presents, the food, etc etc. Call it brainwashing if you want but the truth is that everyone one loves it and doesn't care about the history behind it nor the meaning of it.
Thats nothing to be proud of.

It is beyond me how enlightened people can just accept this in a globalised world.

Apathy is one of the greatest threats to human development.
 

X Æ A-12

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Sep 4, 2006
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nar·cis·sism (närs-szm) also nar·cism (-szm)
n.
1. Excessive love or admiration of oneself. See Synonyms at conceit.
2. A psychological condition characterized by self-preoccupation, lack of empathy, and unconscious deficits in self-esteem.
3. Erotic pleasure derived from contemplation or admiration of one's own body or self, especially as a fixation on or a regression to an infantile stage of development.
4. The attribute of the human psyche charactized by admiration of oneself but within normal limits.

Explain...im listening.
How about the part in your post earlier were some friend said merry christmas to you and you tell him to fuck off? Why would you do that? To stroke your own little ego because you're being oh so much more socially conscious than the rest of the peasants? Then you got all pissy and said oh but I'm not an ass because I went and handed out soup for a few hours...
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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I concede that I offended you, but will you admit to offending me?

I lasted a week without a card...a week.
I did what I would do to any friend of mine who got semi-hysterical over something pointless and non-sensical. I'd hold up a mirror to show how their actions are being perceived in context. (Hence my "constructive" comment.)

I'd slap you if I could, btw. Not necessarily to hurt you, but to make you snap out of it. You're being a bit too much like a 15-year-old gone Goth on this topic, and you are more than better than that. There are much better ways to compensate for the shallowness and consumerism of humanity than to take offense over well-intended greetings from others who extend those graces to you.
 

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