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Bianconero81

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You are over-rating Germany as their defense is absolutely shit. Besides a stellar attack Argentina's selection of defenders is shambolic. Italy could end up being great or pathetic; you never really know.

I smell a Spain vs Brazil clash in the round of 16. An early final, so to speak :D
 

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PedroFlu

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I don't know, I think Germany has solid defenders.

Argentina really has crap defenders, but their motivation will be so high, and playing in South America they'll feel comfortable... and it will also depend on Messi. If the team is organized and Messi is on fire, they have all the odds in their favour to win it.

A team with Romero - Zabaleta, Garay, Otamendi, Rojo - Mascherano, Perez, Di Maria - Lavezzi/Gaitan, Aguero, Messi looks pretty damn good to me. Even defense looks decent. If well organized, this team could have a solid defense.
 
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    You simply cannot go and spend public funds on the stadiums when there are a lot more infrastructural priorities. When you don't have adequate healthcare, when your roads and airports are barely sufficient for a big country like Brazil to function at optimum level, etc... these kind of investments need to be halted and I can understand the fury and dismay of Brazilians.
    But again here this is what I don't get. South Africa is, IMO, even more f'ed up than Brazil. Brazil has been an economic darling of South America in the past decade under Lula, despite it's massive infrastructure problems. South Africa, on the other hand, still has criminals and corrupt thugs running the country. There are millions of people living in the townships, which are segregated slums that aren't even allowed to integrate with the nearby cities. Half the city populations seem to be working in private security when they are employed at all. The rest are scamming to make a living where they can.

    So what makes the Brazilian psychology feel that they live in a much worse, much less invested hell hole than South Africa? Why must they insist on acting like these issues never occurred anywhere else in the world before where a WC was staged?

    Geez... I'd like to think you're more intelligent than that. So what you're saying is that just because Africa didn't protest about them living in the worst conditions imaginable it's NOT OK for Brazilians to protest about some of their people to happen to live in the same exact conditions?

    And sabotage it's international reputation? This made my heart stop for a minute. Seems your time spent in Africa taught you absolutely nothing.

    I'm not even gonna waste my time with such ignorance and naivety.
    My ignorance is in trying to understand what is it about the Brazilian psychology that thinks it's more exceptional than, say, a nation like South Africa. What is it that makes people want to inflict self-destructive harm upon themselves on a global stage to essentially tell the world not just that they shouldn't come to their WC -- which is petty on the big scheme of money and events anyway -- but that it's a country that essentially wants to discourage outside investment and create the impression that they're bloody well too fucked up to be relevant on the international stage.

    If Brazil actually cared about improving their economic conditions, who cares about the football. But they should care about the international attention brought in around the football that tells the rest of the world how much they should float their debt, how much they should trust trade and commercial contracts with the nation, how much stability they think the world's commercial engines feel Brazil is worth investing in. Because everyone is going to see that.

    That's the retarded thing, and I honestly can't wrap my head around it. It's like a mass hysteria event where people want to cut their noses off to spite their faces. It's a little like the riots that ripped about the own neighborhoods of people in Detroit, and the city has been a collapsed failure ever since.

    Even saying "don't come to the WC" is telling tourists they are uninvited and should turn their backs on the country.
     

    Ahmed

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    agree with @swag on this issue, these protests do more harm than good for the relevant causes and social issues that they want to raise awareness for.
     

    JCK

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    You are over-rating Germany as their defense is absolutely shit. Besides a stellar attack Argentina's selection of defenders is shambolic. Italy could end up being great or pathetic; you never really know.

    I smell a Spain vs Brazil clash in the round of 16. An early final, so to speak :D
    Germany will play as a unit which will cover their defensive weaknesses but the heat will not do them good and I don't see them winning. Brazil and Argentina is where it's all about where I see Argentina taking the whole thing due to their super forward line.
     

    Mus™

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    Germany will play as a unit which will cover their defensive weaknesses but the heat will not do them good and I don't see them winning. Brazil and Argentina is where it's all about where I see Argentina taking the whole thing due to their super forward line.
    They have like nil defensive midfield too if Lahm plays in defence, schweini gets dragged out of pos too often, khedira is unfit out of form and just had a major knee injury
     

    JCK

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    Mus™;4558832 said:
    They have like nil defensive midfield too if Lahm plays in defence, schweini gets dragged out of pos too often, khedira is unfit out of form and just had a major knee injury
    Germany won't win but they will go to the knockout stages.
     

    Bianconero81

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    Germany will make the QFs, at least. Brazil vs Spain in the round of 16 means one of the favorites will go out early. Chile and one of Colombia/Belgium to make the QFs as well. England will go home early :xfinger:
     

    Vlad

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    May 23, 2011
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    Brazil IMO. Cannot see past them. I expect them to absolutely rape Croatia in the first game as well.
    The thing about Croatia is that we tend to preform against good teams, but choke against minnows. We can beat Germany, but lose our next game against Turkey; beat Italy, but lose against Equador and Mexico., etc... I can see minimum Brazil win 1-0, 2-1, but can't see the raping. Current Croatia's team has some very good players, few are even world class like Modrić, Rakitić and Mandžukić, and these guys had fantastic season, our coach is good, the way we play. Brazilians will have to work their ass off to overcome us.
     

    Vlad

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    I thought they will get elimimated in the groups after losing game against Cameroon; quite a story you came up with few weeks ago. :p
     

    Bianconero81

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    I thought they will get elimimated in the groups after losing game against Cameroon; quite a story you came up with few weeks ago. :p
    That was two weeks ago Bro. Heart vs Mind

    My heart wants African teams (well almost all of them anyway) to do well, but the mind says only Ghana have a decent squad (they destroyed Egypt 6-1 in the final qualiying round :sad: :cry: :shocked:) and are capable of causing a shock, despite the fact that they are in arguably the toughest group.

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    Brazil will choke, just like Neymar.
    They might choke, but it will be in the latter stages.
     

    Bianconero81

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    Holland are going to be eliminated from the group stages :donedeal:

    Sorry Dutchies. I wish for both you and Chile to go through, but I don't see Spain being knocked out that early.

    Then again, anything is possible. France (2002), and Italy (2010) both departed early as defending world champs.
     

    Trezegol17

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    Holland are going to be eliminated from the group stages :donedeal:

    Sorry Dutchies. I wish for both you and Chile to go through, but I don't see Spain being knocked out that early.

    Then again, anything is possible. France (2002), and Italy (2010) both departed early as defending world champs.
    Ec2008? Were we destroyed both 2006 finalists Italy and France and got kicked out by Russia? :D

    I don't expect miracles and without Strootman our midfield isnt the same but we still got Karate kid de Jong and Alonso is shitting his pants now!

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    m8 we will rek u
    mos def!
     

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