[WC] World Cup 2010 - General Talk Thread (6 Viewers)

[juventus1897]

I know his attitude is representing the US democracy at it's best(despite he is against it as he say) : "YOU NEED TO DO WHATEVER I WANT YOU TO DO".

Next thing he'll use the Patriot Act against you

 

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[Bjerknes]

I know his attitude is representing the US democracy at it's best(despite he is against it as he say) : "YOU NEED TO DO WHATEVER I WANT YOU TO DO AND THINK THE SAME WAY I DO".

You know that isn't true.

 

[Alen]

Goal difference and goals scored come before head to head, I think.

Woaaaah, didn't know that.

 

[Bjerknes]

Next thing he'll use the Patriot Act against you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sD_8prYOxo

I consider the Patriot Act to be treasonous, actually.

 

[.zero]

Ghana is the best bad football team in the field. They seem clueless when it comes to scoring.

They're not really helping their own cause by taking 800 shots from 30yds out

 

[Red]

Woaaaah, didn't know that.

Yeah, just checked:

5. The ranking of each team in each group will be determined as follows:

a) greatest number of points obtained in all group matches;
b) goal difference in all group matches;
c) greatest number of goals scored in all group matches.

If two or more teams are equal on the basis of the above three criteria,
their rankings will be determined as follows:

d) greatest number of points obtained in the group matches between
the teams concerned;
e) goal difference resulting from the group matches between the
teams concerned;
f) greater number of goals scored in all group matches between the
teams concerned;
g) drawing of lots by the FIFA Organising Committee.

 

[juventus1897]

I consider the Patriot Act to be treasonous, actually.

Yeah well I'd cut you some slack if you weren't such a pathetic little derp who can't even refrain from pulling one's mother into an argument about football. Little internet tough guy

Can't even feel sorry for you supporting the most hated nation in the world in a sport that's probably the most hated sport in your nation.

 

[Bjerknes]

Yeah well I'd cut you some slack if you weren't such a pathetic little derp who can't even refrain from pulling one's mother into an argument about football. Little internet tough guy

Can't even feel sorry for you supporting the most hated nation in the world in a sport that's probably the most hated sport in your nation.

Oh, pity you.

 

[Alen]

Yeah, just checked:

5. The ranking of each team in each group will be determined as follows:

a) greatest number of points obtained in all group matches;
b) goal difference in all group matches;
c) greatest number of goals scored in all group matches.

If two or more teams are equal on the basis of the above three criteria,
their rankings will be determined as follows:

d) greatest number of points obtained in the group matches between
the teams concerned;
e) goal difference resulting from the group matches between the
teams concerned;
f) greater number of goals scored in all group matches between the
teams concerned;
g) drawing of lots by the FIFA Organising Committee.

I wonder what does it change right now in some groups compared to my wrong impression that h2h counts.

In this group D it means that with a win the Germans will most probably win the group, because the Serbs (probably) won't beat Australia with 4 or more goals difference and the Serbs will win the group by beating Yugoslavia and with a draw on Ghana-Germany.

Oh....but it gives chances to France. Now if Uruguay beats Mexico, France will have a chance to advance if they beat South Africa. France has 0:2 and Mexico has 3:1.
Sure, they will need to beat S.Africa by 2 or more and hope that Uruguay will beat Mexico by 2 or more, but it at least gives them bigger chances than if h2h counted.

 

[giovanotti]

It is a big deal, especially when he insults my nation's football. All he does is fall back on a nation that isn't his own, and that is pathetic.

I have never insulted your nation's football, I respect every nation's will to make it's football better than it is.
But I think that you feel offended when someone doesn't support his own nation (as you say) and he doesn't support USA at the same time.
Maybe I'm wrong but this is my opinion.

And I need to repeat I never offended your football and your national team....but how come you didn't intervene when someone here insults Islam or some other country and there is a lot of these stuff here.
You are one of the guys that have started so many political debates here at the end.

 

[king Ale]

But you don't support the US like you do with Italy. You just hope we do well. If you were running around screaming lets go USA and waiving the American flag I'd say that would be pretty weird. There isn't much glory to it though, from a football perspective.

I don't have an American flag but would you have criticized me if I had cheered for the US with one? And all I do about Italy too is hoping to see them doing well.

This year, there isn't much glory to supporting Italy too but I've been a fan of theirs since a long time ago. I liked them because my favorite players were playing there. I'd have picked Brazil if I was looking for glory.

 

[giovanotti]

It is a big deal, especially when he insults my nation's football. All he does is fall back on a nation that isn't his own, and that is pathetic.

You know that isn't true.

Why you didn't answer this post? Than you're gonna ask me again to explain some things to you in few months.

http://www.juventuz.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2544852&postcount=5915

 

[Bjerknes]

And soccer, the supposed communism conduit, is only hated by 65 year-old retards still thinking McCarthy is their Senator.

I mean, come on. Hellooooo, it's the largest youth sport in the nation. Guess we're all commies. :rolleyes2

 

[Enron]

Here's some info on sending offs and my explanation of the call:

First of all direct free kick offenses are not at all related to a yellow card or a red card when committed in the penalty area. They become penalty kicks when committed within the 18 yard box. The addition of a yellow or red card is a secondary action and is not mandatory.

Direct Free Kick

A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any
of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be
careless, reckless or using excessive force:

• kicks or attempts to kick an opponent
• trips or attempts to trip an opponent
• jumps at an opponent
• charges an opponent
• strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
• pushes an opponent
• tackles an opponent

A direct free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any
of the following three offences:

• holds an opponent
• spits at an opponent
• handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own
penalty area)

A direct free kick is taken from the place where the offence occurred
(see Law 13 – Position of Free Kick).

Penalty Kick

A penalty kick is awarded if any of the above ten offences is committed by
a player inside his own penalty area, irrespective of the position of the ball,
provided it is in play.

Sending-off Offences

A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off if he commits any of the
following seven offences:

• serious foul play
• violent conduct
• spitting at an opponent or any other person
• denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity
by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within
his own penalty area)
• denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent moving
towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a
penalty kick
• using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures
• receiving a second caution in the same match

We have to assume that Kewell this rule is the reason for the red card. However, considering the lack of extension of Kewell's arm and the placement of the ball on his body at the time of deflection (upper arm and chest) it can be assumed that there was not intent to illegally deny a goal scoring opportunity. Still, the referee followed the rule to a T and the call is fair because Kewell's play denied a goal scoring opportunity, not because a handball in the box is considered to be intentional.

If the handball was away from the goal line the call would have been a yellow plus the penalty.

 

[Dragon]

He never seems to have a problem with me as a USA fangirl but cheering for the Azzurri is an unforgivable sin in his book

Ohhhh the double standards.

 

[Alen]

A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off if he commits any of the
following seven offences:

• serious foul play
• violent conduct
• spitting at an opponent or any other person
• denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity
by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within
his own penalty area)
• denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent moving
towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a
penalty kick
• using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures
• receiving a second caution in the same match

We have to assume that Kewell this rule is the reason for the red card. However, considering the lack of extension of Kewell's arm and the placement of the ball on his body at the time of deflection (upper arm and chest) it can be assumed that there was not intent to illegally deny a goal scoring opportunity. Still, the referee followed the rule to a T and the call is fair because Kewell's play denied a goal scoring opportunity, not because a handball in the box is considered to be intentional.

If the handball was away from the goal line the call would have been a yellow plus the penalty.

But what's the point of the rule above the one you quoted if the ref was following the quoted rule?

No, I think Rosetti gave a penalty and a red card because he thought that Kewell deliberately handled the ball to stop a goal. He was wrong.

 

[juventus1897]

Still, the bolded rule spercedes the question of deliberation on Kewell's side. It's always been that way, seen it often enough. Not sure why there's such an uproar about it now. Ohh right, the ref is italian

 

[Enron]

Still, the bolded rule spercedes the question of deliberation on Kewell's side. It's always been that way, seen it often enough. Not sure why there's such an uproar about it now. Ohh right, the ref is italian

That's why I suggested that the call was correct based on that rule.

However, Andries was wrong to say that a handball in the box is automatically intentional.

Regardless of the referee's nationality, it was a controversial call.

 

[Alen]

Still, the bolded rule spercedes the question of deliberation on Kewell's side. It's always been that way, seen it often enough. Not sure why there's such an uproar about it now. Ohh right, the ref is italian

The ref can be a Martian for all I care. I don't see a logic behind that being a red card and a penalty. So far I didn't even see a rule that explains such a decision, but even if there is, it will make the refs call correct but illogical because there is nothing a defender can do if a ball kicks his hand when his hand is next to his body.

If there is such a rule, then FIFA should change it.

 

[Bjerknes]

I have never insulted your nation's football, I respect every nation's will to make it's football better than it is.
But I think that you feel offended when someone doesn't support his own nation (as you say) and he doesn't support USA at the same time.
Maybe I'm wrong but this is my opinion.

And I need to repeat I never offended your football and your national team....but how come you didn't intervene when someone here insults Islam or some other country and there is a lot of these stuff here.
You are one of the guys that have started so many political debates here at the end.

In 2006 you did, constantly. Don't lie and say you didn't. Even Jack remembers it.

Islam? I don't care about Islam. If I was still a Catholic and I insulted Islam you'd have a case considering it's pretty retarded to insult another religion when your religion is pretty phony itself, but I'm not a religious person at all.

Lets not forget about your comments regarding Americans in general which we have discussed, even via private message if I recall correctly. I mean, fine, we're all dumb Americans. But in doing that, at least present yourself as a citizen of your own nation. You can't go around insulting Americans but hide behind a nationality you don't have.