[WC] Italy vs France [09.07.2006] (16 Viewers)

giovanotti

ONE MAN ARMY
Aug 13, 2004
13,725
Juve_26 said:
Zidane deserved the baddest player in the world cup giving him best player after that is laughtable and he played good only in 2 games and i dont know if fifa are true sports men.. what cannavaro have done in this world cup is really magic... great takles,closing spaces,covering, defending all over the place and its him who cutted every team attacking,made very few fauls, very strong on the air he got ebove everyone he jumped with even the tall forwards like viduka and made some really intersting clearance, no yellow card??? whats more?
Very true!:agree:
 

ZhiXin

Senior Member
Oct 1, 2004
10,321
This WC final is somewhat an irony of what happened in Euro 2000 final

Up to the point when Zidane scored, I'm afraid that the nightmare will happen again. But when Matrix equalised, I breathed a sigh of relief and Italy is dominating in the 1st half.

But what frightens me is what happened in the 2nd half, when Zidane and co showed themselves and dominated, putting in grit and fighting for no tomorrow. Wiltord's presence made me glued to the screen in disbelief as I remembered he scored the equaliser and I was hoping nothing went wrong for Italy, and last of all Trezeguet stepped into the pitch. For the 1st time I feel really frightened watching a final, because everybody knows that Trez is a penalty box predator. Up to the point when Zidane was sent off, I almost fained as I know that penalties are looming, and amazingly Trezeguet missed. What a crazy game for me.

Anyway what is the most ironic is that

Materazzi, from football villian to hero of Italy

and

Zidane, from football legend to France villian, he didn't even step up to take his medal, really a sad day for France.

But despite that I still think that Matrix will be remembered in this WC as the person who provoked Zidane for decades to come
 

Muha

The Head Physio
Feb 25, 2004
1,546
If what has been said is true, then i wish Marco burns in hell.

FIFA wanted this world cup to be racism free... but if Materazzi thinks that he is above this basic human right ,then i'll be the first to call for his permamnat suspension from football......

I cheered for Italy through out the world cup... But Materazzi's involvement in another ugly incident of football disgusts me and puts me off....

I dont justify Zidane's action ... but if Marco is found to be a racist, then i would go as far as handing the trophy to the french , as rasicm has nothing to do with football.
 

ZhiXin

Senior Member
Oct 1, 2004
10,321
Muha said:
If what has been said is true, then i wish Marco burns in hell.

FIFA wanted this world cup to be racism free... but if Materazzi thinks that he is above this basic human right ,then i'll be the first to call for his permamnat suspension from football......

I cheered for Italy through out the world cup... But Materazzi's involvement in another ugly incident of football disgusts me and puts me off....

I dont justify Zidane's action ... but if Marco is found to be a racist, then i would go as far as handing the trophy to the french , as rasicm has nothing to do with football.
Apparently the french reported that Matrix scolded Zidane a disgraceful dog.
 

- vOnAm -

Senior Member
Jul 22, 2004
3,779
ZhiXin said:
This WC final is somewhat an irony of what happened in Euro 2000 final

Up to the point when Zidane scored, I'm afraid that the nightmare will happen again. But when Matrix equalised, I breathed a sigh of relief and Italy is dominating in the 1st half.

But what frightens me is what happened in the 2nd half, when Zidane and co showed themselves and dominated, putting in grit and fighting for no tomorrow. Wiltord's presence made me glued to the screen in disbelief as I remembered he scored the equaliser and I was hoping nothing went wrong for Italy, and last of all Trezeguet stepped into the pitch. For the 1st time I feel really frightened watching a final, because everybody knows that Trez is a penalty box predator. Up to the point when Zidane was sent off, I almost fained as I know that penalties are looming, and amazingly Trezeguet missed. What a crazy game for me.

Anyway what is the most ironic is that

Materazzi, from football villian to hero of Italy

and

Zidane, from football legend to France villian, he didn't even step up to take his medal, really a sad day for France.

But despite that I still think that Matrix will be remembered in this WC as the person who provoked Zidane for decades to come
It was a great game, although I must say not so great for Italia...they played wonderfully in the first half but always looked breachable at the back despite Cannavaro's form. According to the first half, Italy deserved to win it...

But the rest of the game was all france...they had all the possessions, all the chances. They created opportunities and denied them on the other end, all France's players were solid, except for Barthez who I suspect is not so solid although he was never tested.

Even after Vieira's exit, France still was the better team, attacking from left to right and through the middle. If anyteam looked to score it was France.

But the deciding minute was when Zidane was sent off. I didn't know what happened at first, aside from Buffon running like mad to the reffs! But when I saw the replay I just couldn't believe it...!!

I thought perhaps Matrix had a wack at him first although not shown, but then when they showed the whole sequence of what happened, I was really baffled. Matrix just provoked Zidane verbally....aside from the glad feeling that France's main threat was going to come off, I felt sympathy for Zidane.. Although he's known to be a villian at times I just couldn't see him making such a move without any physicall provocation. By that time I was really pondering what on earth Matrix could have said to him...I was pretty sure that it must have been something awfully racist /religious to make somebody react that way...

I agree with Domenach, while it doesn't justify what Zidane did, I do sympathize for him. I haven't heard of what exactly Matrix said, but until I do, I will still have respect and sympathy for Zidane while at the same time I will still be Happy that the Azzurri, Del Piero, Cannavaro, Zambrotta and Buffon get their deserved World Cup trophy...I just couldn't be more happier for them...

Disappointed to see Zizou win the Golden ball though coz I think Cann should've won it regardless of the red card Zizou got, and more so because of it..
 

- vOnAm -

Senior Member
Jul 22, 2004
3,779
Muha said:
i dont think thats strong enough to provoke a strong charecter such as Zidane.
I think the same as you...I doubt provocation by calling Zidane names or even humilitaing his wife or family would anger him so much..

I mean, look at the game...France was winning on the pitch, he surely didn't need a momment of frustration as France looked like they could conjure a goal.

It must be something really fundamental, my guess its either racist or religious, and that made me turn Matrix into a villain again. He became greener this WC by my books but after that incident I couldn't help but wonder what he said...

If infact it was just normall name callings then I think Zizou has 100% of the fault but if it was otherwise, I would really dispise Matrix more than before as it has tainted my greatful joyous feeling for Italy's success.
 

Muha

The Head Physio
Feb 25, 2004
1,546
- vOnAm - said:
Disappointed to see Zizou win the Golden ball though coz I think Cann should've won it regardless of the red card Zizou got, and more so because of it....
With all due respect to Canna, I think Zizou was the best player in this world cup by far ..... Cannavaro was a true leader and a hell of a player..

I wonder why FIFA doesnt have a trophy for the best defender.. They've got a trophy for the best goali and the best player...

Best goali: (goalkeepers)
Best defender: (defenders)
Best Player: (Mids and attackers)
 

ZhiXin

Senior Member
Oct 1, 2004
10,321
- vOnAm - said:
I think the same as you...I doubt provocation by calling Zidane names or even humilitaing his wife or family would anger him so much..

I mean, look at the game...France was winning on the pitch, he surely didn't need a momment of frustration as France looked like they could conjure a goal.

It must be something really fundamental, my guess its either racist or religious, and that made me turn Matrix into a villain again. He became greener this WC by my books but after that incident I couldn't help but wonder what he said...

If infact it was just normall name callings then I think Zizou has 100% of the fault but if it was otherwise, I would really dispise Matrix more than before as it has tainted my greatful joyous feeling for Italy's success.
Apparently from the French papers, Matrix scolded Zidane "an ungrateful dog breeded in Italy"

You all can have your own views but this comes from the French.......
 

Muha

The Head Physio
Feb 25, 2004
1,546
- vOnAm - said:
If infact it was just normall name callings then I think Zizou has 100% of the fault but if it was otherwise, I would really dispise Matrix more than before as it has tainted my greatful joyous feeling for Italy's success.
:tup:
 

Muha

The Head Physio
Feb 25, 2004
1,546
ZhiXin said:
Apparently from the French papers, Matrix scolded Zidane "an ungrateful dog breeded in Italy"

You all can have your own views but this comes from the French.......
That alone can make me blow Marco's head off.
 

ZhiXin

Senior Member
Oct 1, 2004
10,321
Just in case u guys stil have doubts, I will post the article from the HK newspaper from HKCircle, my 2nd home

誰在忘恩負義?

第109分鐘,場上 出現不可思議一幕,馬特拉齊在防守的時候,有一個攔腰抱住齊達內的動作,雙方分開時,馬特拉齊對齊達內說了一句話,這就是後來法國媒體盛傳的“你是義大利 養出來的一條忘恩負義的狗”。齊達內大步走過馬特拉齊,然後回身用頭頂翻了對手,結果直接被紅牌罰下。這張紅牌直接改變了場上形勢,此前法國已經掌握主 動,很有可能完成致命一擊。一句話能夠在齊達內身上產生那樣大的作用嗎?人們難以理解。但作為最後一次告別演出,他實在非常氣憤有人這樣說。誰都會記得 1997/1998賽季,皮-因組合有多麼出色,誰都知道他們身後的禿頂21號為了支撐這對箭頭做出了多大貢獻。儘管’98世界盃之後,他們便沒再為尤文 取得過冠軍,但1998/99賽季的暗淡無光,1999/2000、2000/01賽季的功虧一簣同樣是三人同舟共濟的經歷,雖說皮耶羅、因紮吉已經多在 坐板凳,但他一直認為自己是義大利的朋友。在90分鐘內雙方都踢得很文明,黃牌僅有三張,如果差別大的對比,一下讓經歷過所有足球事故的齊達內失去了心 態。這是法國足球的悲劇。
 

ZhiXin

Senior Member
Oct 1, 2004
10,321
giovanotti said:
Wait Zhi,you want to say that Zidane is the best player of the world cup officialy????
It is clear that Cannavaro should have won it, but too bad Zidane is much more famous so a farewell gift to Zidane is much needed compared to Cannavaro
 

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