WC 2006: Group C (1 Viewer)

Which two teams will go through?

  • Argentina

  • Côte d'Ivoire

  • Serbia and Montenegro

  • Netherlands


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Slagathor

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Jul 25, 2001
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The Anti-Netherlands
How total football died


Eight years since their last, and brilliant, appearance on a World Cup, the Dutch are disillusioning. The colour of orange is still bright, the fans are still an asset to the tournament, but the team is nothing to sit down for despite having potential. What happened?

Where the whole nation thought the defence was going to be the reason Holland would lose at some point in the tournament prior to the final, it's actually the midfield that's causing all the problems.

Without Edgar Davids, the midfield consisted of Wesley Sneyder, Philip Cocu and Mark van Bommel these past two matches, with Wesley Sneyder in a central role as a vital connection point between the defence and the forwards. But Sneyder isn't Davids and with Cocu too old to cover half the pitch, Holland lack a chaser in midfield who steals balls and triggers attacks.

As was painfully demonstrated by the powerful Ivory Coast who crossed the midfield without problems, creating a situation in which the Dutch defence faced two forwards per defender. An impossible situation that would surely have lead to defeat if it hadn't been for the insane amount of luck riding on the Dutch coach.

Another problem is that Van Basten doesn't like his right and left back to steam up the midfield like they used to. It's better to have a central defender move up the midfield with the backs having a more central role, since no other team besides the Dutch themselves play with classic wingers that need to be marked anymore anyway. Fair enough, but this tactic has some negative side-effects in that it creates defensive weaknesses and makes it harder to stretch play over the flanks and go forward faster and with more flair. Indirectly, Van Basten's system has very little to do with Total Football, with wingers, with attacking flair... With Dutch football as a whole.

But the winning coach is always right. The real flaws of Van Basten's tactics, which seem insufficient to win the tournament at this point, won't be addressed until the Dutch have been eliminated and the people realise that this time around, their nation won't be remembered for brilliant displays of football. The Dutch are used to missing out on trophies, but missing out on international admiration is unheard of.

Written by Erik
 
Mar 6, 2005
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Erik said:
The Anti-Netherlands
How total football died


Eight years since their last, and brilliant, appearance on a World Cup, the Dutch are disillusioning. The colour of orange is still bright, the fans are still an asset to the tournament, but the team is nothing to sit down for despite having potential. What happened?

Where the whole nation thought the defence was going to be the reason Holland would lose at some point in the tournament prior to the final, it's actually the midfield that's causing all the problems.

Without Edgar Davids, the midfield consisted of Wesley Sneyder, Philip Cocu and Mark van Bommel these past two matches, with Wesley Sneyder in a central role as a vital connection point between the defence and the forwards. But Sneyder isn't Davids and with Cocu too old to cover half the pitch, Holland lack a chaser in midfield who steals balls and triggers attacks.

As was painfully demonstrated by the powerful Ivory Coast who crossed the midfield without problems, creating a situation in which the Dutch defense faced two forwards per defender. An impossible situation that would surely have lead to defeat if it hadn't been for the insane amount of luck riding on the Dutch coach.

Another problem is that Van Basten doesn't like his right and left back to steam up the midfield like they used to. It's better to have a central defender move up the midfield with the backs having a more central role, since no other team besides the Dutch themselves play with classic wingers that need to be marked anymore anyway. Fair enough, but this tactic has some negative side-effects in that it creates defensive weaknesses and makes it harder to stretch play over the flanks and go forward faster and with more flair. Indirectly, Van Basten's system has very little to do with Total Football, with wingers, with attacking flair... With Dutch football as a whole.

But the winning coach is always right. The real flaws of Van Basten's tactics, which seem insufficient to win the tournament at this point, won't be addressed until the Dutch have been eliminated and the people realise that this time around, their nation won't be remembered for brilliant displays of football. The Dutch are used to missing out on trophees, but missing out on international admiration is unheard of.
Fair enough, but I think that teams need luck the most, and then perfect tactics... Van Basten seems to have a lot of the luck covered, so... :D
 

salman

Senior Member
Apr 15, 2005
14,651
i was hoping for a more tension filled match between argentina and holland,but both teams having already qualified for the knockout round has probably taken a decent amount of fizz out of of the match.but then again,im glad both of them are through.there havent been any first round casualties as yet.almost all the big teams have qualified with the exception if italy who i hope join the others in the 2nd round.

this is shaping up to be a good tourney:D
 

sateeh

Day Walker
Jul 28, 2003
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yeah agree with axel there, wanted more tension but couldnt get much from that game...few flashes of brilliance here n there but nothing much to talk abt.

wat really amazed me is that both teams didnt mind facing portugal in the 2nd round its like it didnt matter if it was portugal or mexico, but i think that argentina wont want to face portugal cuz later on they will have to face brazil and earlier than they think...
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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Hollands defense has really impressed me thus far... surprisingly. This is going to be a much different match up than the one that saw the Netherlands summarily ousted of Euro 2004.

That said, even if Holland has the definite edge, as a Portugal fan I would much rather face them than Argentina. :scared:
 

Slagathor

Bedpan racing champion
Jul 25, 2001
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Well yesterday taught us the Argentinians can be stopped from scoring provided your defense is strong enough.

How the hell did we get to that point, one wonders...

As for Portugal... We always struggle with them, but this being an a-typical Dutch side, we might just have a shot. Also, after Portugal we would face England/Ecuador. After Mexico, Argentina will face Germany/Sweden. Nobody wants to play the Germans on home soil, surely!
 
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Erik said:
Well yesterday taught us the Argentinians can be stopped from scoring provided your defense is strong enough.

How the hell did we get to that point, one wonders...

As for Portugal... We always struggle with them, but this being an a-typical Dutch side, we might just have a shot. Also, after Portugal we would face England/Ecuador. After Mexico, Argentina will face Germany/Sweden. Nobody wants to play the Germans on home soil, surely!
Exactly what I thought, that Holland might have the more difficult game at this stage, but if they overcome it, it is easier in the coming stage.

And another thing, I thought that Holland - Portugal/Argentina - Mexico encounters are more interesting than the other way around. But this is a matter of personal taste.
 

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