Was Juve's relegation fair? (15 Viewers)

[Kosta]

One team was sacrificed (and is still being sacrificed) for the other.

I don't wanna believe this. It's too cruel to be true, but it's business for them in the first place.

 

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[JCK]

Hey gsol,

I really don't mind your presence in this forum at all. Please feel free to flood the site with your evidence and proofs. Post documents, links, wiretaps, whatever you have. You can even write your book on these boards but calling names and telling Juve fans that they are not fans or calling them Interisti or Anti- Juve is not tolerable.

I hope this is understood because I don't want to repeat myself.

 

[gsol]

Were you watching when Collina cost us the scudetto in 2000 against Peruggia? Were you in the stands when the same Collina gave an inexistant penalty to Milan in the Supercup against Milan in injury time of extra time? Were you there when a should have been red card wasn't given to Lazio in the Final of the 2004 Coppa Italia while Juve were up 2-0 (that Lazio eventually won)? Did you see the Reggina match where a blatant penalty was ignored costing Juve the match. Do you remmber the two man pile up on Buffon allowing Toldo to score a tying goal for Inter. Did you see De Santis call back a perfectly onside goal by Trezeguet that would have won the Supercup in 2005 against Inter. What did you think when Juve were accused of fixing their 2005 game against Sampdoria despite losing the game 1-0 after Aimo Diana scored from an offside position. Do you really think that callsonly went in Juve's favour? I'm not playng the victim. I'm saying that it's more balanced than you think. It goes both ways...like our friend Semen

 

[gsol]

re-read the thread and then repeat yourself but direct the comment elsewhere. I trash when I'm trashed. you can see that it wasn't me that sought out to get offensive. I reacted to another's ignorance, and will continue to do so if attacked.

 

[JCK]

Were you watching when Collina cost us the scudetto in 2000 against Peruggia? Were you in the stands when the same Collina gave an inexistant penalty to Milan in the Supercup against Milan in injury time of extra time? Were you there when a should have been red card wasn't given to Lazio in the Final of the 2004 Coppa Italia while Juve were up 2-0 (that Lazio eventually won)? Did you see the Reggina match where a blatant penalty was ignored costing Juve the match. Do you remmber the two man pile up on Buffon allowing Toldo to score a tying goal for Inter. Did you see De Santis call back a perfectly onside goal by Trezeguet that would have won the Supercup in 2005 against Inter. What did you think when Juve were accused of fixing their 2005 game against Sampdoria despite losing the game 1-0 after Aimo Diana scored from an offside position. Do you really think that callsonly went in Juve's favour? I'm not playng the victim. I'm saying that it's more balanced than you think. It goes both ways...like our friend Semen

You may be right, I will not say anything but for your love for Moggi, STOP THE NAME CALLING.

 

[JCK]

re-read the thread and then repeat yourself but direct the comment elsewhere. I trash when I'm trashed. you can see that it wasn't me that sought out to get offensive. I reacted to another's ignorance, and will continue to do so if attacked.

You are the one who started his first post by calling a lot of members anti-Juve. YOUR VERY FIRST POST. Stop the name calling, I don't want to ask you for that another time.

 

[gsol]

how's "anti-juventini" offensive?

 

[JCK]

how's "anti-juventini" offensive?

It's name calling. We had this discussion a lot before. I called a few members Barcelona fans and they convinced me that it is as offensive as calling someone an asshole. Name calling is offensive no matter what the adjective is. Please accept that.

 

[gsol]

what am I going to be censored now because the shit I wrote struck a nerve? I don't love Moggi, I love Juventus though...enough to research everything I could for over a year. I started out like a lot of people here. I originally thought they got caught cheating. Then too many things didn't add up and I read an read and read. Now I give supposed Juve fans an opporunity to do the same IN ENGLISH which is a lot easier than I had it and I'm being told to watch my mouth?\

You're welcome for all the details.

 

[JCK]

what am I going to be censored now because the shit I wrote struck a nerve? I don't love Moggi, I love Juventus though...enough to research everything I could for over a year. I started out like a lot of people here. I originally thought they got caught cheating. Then too many things didn't add up and I read an read and read. Now I give supposed Juve fans an opporunity to do the same IN ENGLISH which is a lot easier than I had it and I'm being told to watch my mouth?\

You're welcome for all the details.

You did not strike a nerve.

As I have told you before, I and many others appreciate all the information you are providing but everything can be said without having to do this

"I can't believe the amount of anti-Juve fans on this forum....read and get educated ... "

"Go find an Inter forum, this where you belong because ......"

 

[Alen]

Were you watching when Collina cost us the scudetto in 2000 against Peruggia? Were you in the stands when the same Collina gave an inexistant penalty to Milan in the Supercup against Milan in injury time of extra time? Were you there when a should have been red card wasn't given to Lazio in the Final of the 2004 Coppa Italia while Juve were up 2-0 (that Lazio eventually won)? Did you see the Reggina match where a blatant penalty was ignored costing Juve the match. Do you remmber the two man pile up on Buffon allowing Toldo to score a tying goal for Inter. Did you see De Santis call back a perfectly onside goal by Trezeguet that would have won the Supercup in 2005 against Inter. What did you think when Juve were accused of fixing their 2005 game against Sampdoria despite losing the game 1-0 after Aimo Diana scored from an offside position. Do you really think that callsonly went in Juve's favour? I'm not playng the victim. I'm saying that it's more balanced than you think. It goes both ways...like our friend Semen

I can't believe this !
The answer i expected, with exact words, and the answer i used all this time whenever i was discussing the matter with fans of Milan or Inter. :toast:

But the truth is : we got huge help from the referees to win that scudetto in 2005.

As for Calciopoli , i appreciate your work and your posts. But i'm into this thing and apart from the info about Juventus being sold soon, i knew about every single thing you wrote. But i lost a year losing sleep over this and i decided to drop it.
It's clear - we will never change the public opinion. With the people running the football in Italy we will hardly ever change the verdicts. We will never get back the lost year in B, the lost 2 years in Europe and most probably we will never get the scudetti back. It hurts you, it hurts all of us, but it's painful to think about it again, to read about it and that's why you can call me anti-juve, pro-Inter or whatever you want, but i don't give a damn shit about Calciopoli anymore.

 

[gsol]

when someone calls you a fag what do you say? "Thank you"?
Come on...its not pre school in here. I'm sure everyone can handle the trashing and if they can't they should think twice before trashing. Shit, I thought I was taking it easy.

 

[gsol]

I can't believe this !
The answer i expected, with exact words, and the answer i used all this time whenever i was discussing the matter with fans of Milan or Inter. :toast:

But the truth is : we got huge help from the referees to win that scudetto in 2005.

As for Calciopoli , i appreciate your work and your posts. But i'm into this thing and apart from the info about Juventus being sold soon, i knew about every single thing you wrote. But i lost a year losing sleep over this and i decided to drop it.
It's clear - we will never change the public opinion. With the people running the football in Italy we will hardly ever change the verdicts. We will never get back the lost year in B, the lost 2 years in Europe and most probably we will never get the scudetti back. It hurts you, it hurts all of us, but it's painful to think about it again, to read about it and that's why you can call me anti-juve, pro-Inter or whatever you want, but i don't give a damn shit about Calciopoli anymore.

Don't believe it. If you clicked on thos thread...you care

 

[JCK]

when someone calls you a fag what do you say? "Thank you"?
Come on...its not pre school in here. I'm sure everyone can handle the trashing and if they can't they should think twice before trashing. Shit, I thought I was taking it easy.

Calling someone a fag is like calling someone anti-Juve, so to both the reply is not Thank you. Apparently you understood what I was saying int:

 

[gsol]

By the way a statistical study done for the 2005 season stated that ifthe officiating had been altered (correcting all referee errors) that Juve would have won by more points. It was conducted at the University of St. Mry's in London. But of course that is BS because we all know that the truth only gets told in la Cazzata Dello Sport

 

[gsol]

JCK, I'm here to share what I learned. If that's a problem, if people are going to have their periods all over this page everytime I say something that is inconvenient, or if I'm going to get ripped and not be able to reply then by all means censor me. As a Juve fan, I'm used to it.

I know what I learned already, by keeping me from posting all that I have found than it isn't me you are limiting.

I find it inconcievable that we finally have a sword to fight back with and it's being held back on our own sites.

 

[Alen]

Don't believe it. If you clicked on thos thread...you care

I cared and i still care a lot.
But i'm tired, i'm so tired from this shit and all i want now is to watch my team play football.

If you have the strenght then go on and continue the fight. We'll praise your name and appreaciate it. But don't call us anti-Juventini and don't tell people who love and follow Juve as much as you do to go to Inter forums just because we're sick of Calciopoli and we try to forget it, not be reminded about it.

 

[gsol]

Alen...what is the Juve oath?

NON MOLLARE MAI! (never give up)

I never did.

 

[Boudz]

Gsol, please stop with the name calling and insults, don't reply to the ignorant. What ur saying is a breath of fresh air, and we as Juve fans can actually one day directly help the club so don't get urself banned, we need someone like u.

 

[JCK]

JCK, I'm here to share what I learned. If that's a problem, if people are going to have their periods all over this page everytime I say something that is inconvenient, or if I'm going to get ripped and not be able to reply then by all means censor me. As a Juve fan, I'm used to it.

I know what I learned already, by keeping me from posting all that I have found than it isn't me you are limiting.

I find it inconcievable that we finally have a sword to fight back with and it's being held back on our own sites.

It seems that you failed to see my point. I told you that I am glad that you are providing your knowledge on the case. I am not trying to stop you from posting the information just don't judge the loyalty of some fans if they don't agree with you. That and the name calling. Other than this, you are the most welcome.