US Presidential Elections 2012 (18 Viewers)

Maddy

Oracle of Copenhagen
Jul 10, 2009
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I am aware that ur GDP ratio is higher and when I refer to socialism I'm talking about the high rate of taxes, redistribution of wealth, etc.

And yes, I know Europe consist of other countries, what makes you think I wouldn't know that? The Eurozone is a disaster because it can't control countries like Greece/Italy. It was a great theory, but at the end of the day one or two bad apples reak havoc on everyone there.
In other words you don't know anything :sergio:

Start by reading this post: http://forum.juventuz.org/threads/36126-US-Presidential-Elections-2012?p=3809890#post3809890
 

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Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
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I've seen him in person a few times. He's a brilliant speaker.
I like Bill, I thought he did well bridging the gaps as a president. Obviously those that came after are more questionable.

What entitlements would you restructure or just get rid of and why?
 

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Tickle Me
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Oct 11, 2005
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I like Bill, I thought he did well bridging the gaps as a president. Obviously those that came after are more questionable.

What entitlements would you restructure or just get rid of and why?
Medicare, corporate subsidies, and welfare programs.

Medicare needs to be reworked to account for the number of elderly that will continue to grow. It's a good program and it helps a lot of people, unfortunately when it was created they didn't account for it's cost down the road. It seems to me that something like that is worth revamping.

Most natural resource companies, agribusiness, meat packers etc. receive millions in subsidies from the government. For example major oil companies have show record profits for the last 5 years or longer, yet gas prices remain high and they don't pay for things like geological surveys to find more resources. Same thing for major agriculture, the corn industry is heavily subsidized by the federal government yet they continually turn profits and operate within billion dollar industries. Without the subsidies, these industries would still see profits, though some companies might out compete others which is how things are supposed to be. I could go more in detail but I'm studying.

I think welfare, unemployment, etc should be handled by the states. Every state has different demographics so they may as well handle their own business.

Another entitlement I'd adjust is military spending. What a lot of people don't know is that we spend billions on unnecessary defense contractors. An audit is currently being done by the DOD and they are finding that contractors are being paid 6 figures to do things that standard military personnel could do for less than half the pay. By contractors, I'm not talking about Boeing, arms manufacturers. I mean groups like Blackwater, et al. that we pay ridiculous amounts of money to guard things. The worst part is that the military doesn't put those guys in barracks, they end up 'quartering' in places like the Bagdad Hilton Resort. A lot of higher ups at the pentagon may be getting shit-canned in the near future.
 
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    Medicare, corporate subsidies, and welfare programs.

    Medicare needs to be reworked to account for the number of elderly that will continue to grow. It's a good program and it helps a lot of people, unfortunately when it was created they didn't account for it's cost down the road. It seems to me that something like that is worth revamping.

    Most natural resource companies, agribusiness, meat packers etc. receive millions in subsidies from the government. For example major oil companies have show record profits for the last 5 years or longer, yet gas prices remain high and they don't pay for things like geological surveys to find more resources. Same thing for major agriculture, the corn industry is heavily subsidized by the federal government yet they continually turn profits and operate within billion dollar industries. Without the subsidies, these industries would still see profits, though some companies might out compete others which is how things are supposed to be. I could go more in detail but I'm studying.

    I think welfare, unemployment, etc should be handled by the states. Every state has different demographics so they may as well handle their own business.

    Another entitlement I'd adjust is military spending. What a lot of people don't know is that we spend billions on unnecessary defense contractors. An audit is currently being done by the DOD and they are finding that contractors are being paid 6 figures to do things that standard military personnel could do for less than half the pay. By contractors, I'm not talking about Boeing, arms manufacturers. I mean groups like Blackwater, et al. that we pay ridiculous amounts of money to guard things. The worst part is that the military doesn't put those guys in barracks, they end up 'quartering' in places like the Bagdad Hilton Resort. A lot of higher ups at the pentagon may be getting shit-canned in the near future.
    I agree.

    Subsidies to corporations are a waste of taxpayers' money.
     

    Hust

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    Hustini
    May 29, 2005
    93,703
    Medicare, corporate subsidies, and welfare programs.

    Medicare needs to be reworked to account for the number of elderly that will continue to grow. It's a good program and it helps a lot of people, unfortunately when it was created they didn't account for it's cost down the road. It seems to me that something like that is worth revamping.

    Most natural resource companies, agribusiness, meat packers etc. receive millions in subsidies from the government. For example major oil companies have show record profits for the last 5 years or longer, yet gas prices remain high and they don't pay for things like geological surveys to find more resources. Same thing for major agriculture, the corn industry is heavily subsidized by the federal government yet they continually turn profits and operate within billion dollar industries. Without the subsidies, these industries would still see profits, though some companies might out compete others which is how things are supposed to be. I could go more in detail but I'm studying.

    I think welfare, unemployment, etc should be handled by the states. Every state has different demographics so they may as well handle their own business.

    Another entitlement I'd adjust is military spending. What a lot of people don't know is that we spend billions on unnecessary defense contractors. An audit is currently being done by the DOD and they are finding that contractors are being paid 6 figures to do things that standard military personnel could do for less than half the pay. By contractors, I'm not talking about Boeing, arms manufacturers. I mean groups like Blackwater, et al. that we pay ridiculous amounts of money to guard things. The worst part is that the military doesn't put those guys in barracks, they end up 'quartering' in places like the Bagdad Hilton Resort. A lot of higher ups at the pentagon may be getting shit-canned in the near future.
    Agreed.

    Medicare, by nature, I think is a good source of protection for the older population and the soon to be elderly.

    Welfare reform is a must, absolutely. People seeking walfare need to be monitored profusely I think. There are far too many milking the system far too easily.

    And yes, living in DC I meet a lot of contractors that make killer pay checks that folks in the service can do equally well.

    Aside from entitlements, I'd like to see us scale back foreign aid (not all of it) but primarly to nations that remain hostile towards us. I see a lot of money bleeding out of our borders when that could be better used here at home.

    Back to entitlements. Food-stamps and welfare checks. Going back to regulations, again, people seeking such services need to be monitored and show significant attempts in trying to find work. That seems to be gone. I remember when I was on unemployment some years back I had to show the state I was actively looking for work by including business cards of management, etc that I was asking about potential work. Now it's too easy.

    I see guys here in Georgetown, DC on the same flipping corner every day of every week rain or shine asking for money. Occasionally they whip out there new iPhones to send a text only to hide it quickly when people are coming. Some have nicer running shoes than I do. I was talking to an Italian guy (owns La Perla, a nice Italian restaurant in Foggy Bottom, DC)...he remembers seeing a guy he has seen begging for change get into a blue BMW I kid you not. I haven't seen it yet, but I believe it after seening the guys around my store , what the they wear, cell phones, etc.

    Its just too easy anymore to milk the system when people like me are busting my ass everyday, running a small business, etc trying to grow my career. That, in all honesty, is one of the biggest beefs with this current Administration right now is the Entitlements. If you want to help people, fine, I am all for it. But give them incentive or a deadline to try and push they folks back to the labor market.

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    I agree.

    Subsidies to corporations are a waste of taxpayers' money.
    Indeed.

    That's the beauty and beast of a free market. Sink or swim, its what competition is. Make yourself more competitive than the next guy. If not, the best man wins, not everyman wins...it isnt feasible I think.
     

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    Tickle Me
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    Oct 11, 2005
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    Unless you're disabled, you still have to meet a work requirement in order to receive welfare. Food Stamps is like the least funded entitlement program.

    Someone did an expose on panhandling (60 minutes maybe) and apparently those guys can make bank if they're good. :D
     

    Hust

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    Hustini
    May 29, 2005
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    Unless you're disabled, you still have to meet a work requirement in order to receive welfare. Food Stamps is like the least funded entitlement program.

    Someone did an expose on panhandling (60 minutes maybe) and apparently those guys can make bank if they're good. :D
    Take that lady (I think in Michigan) that won the lottery and still collected food stamps, etc. That's my point in too many milking the system with little regulation. Its just too easy.

    I remember hearing something about the begging and how much they make...I"ve heard around 40-50k, something like that just begging. That's not right. :D

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    Maybe I'm in the wrong business.

    I could make money as a beggar. Make my own hours, go on vacation whenever I want. Wear whatever I want...pfft.
     

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    Tickle Me
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    Oct 11, 2005
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    Take that lady (I think in Michigan) that won the lottery and still collected food stamps, etc. That's my point in too many milking the system with little regulation. Its just too easy.

    I remember hearing something about the begging and how much they make...I"ve heard around 40-50k, something like that just begging. That's not right. :D
    The Michigan lady is definitely fraud. The system probably needs more checks to regulate such things. But all out elimination isn't possible.
     

    Maddy

    Oracle of Copenhagen
    Jul 10, 2009
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    The Michigan lady is definitely fraud. The system probably needs more checks to regulate such things. But all out elimination isn't possible.
    In Denmark we have a Central Person Register that makes it easier to see if people are taking advantage of our welfare system.

    Is that found at state level in the US?

    Btw. Hustini. Did you see my graph from OECD about the debt of USA and the Eurozone? I wouldn't want you to draw any conclusions on lack of knowledge.
     

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    Tickle Me
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    Oct 11, 2005
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    In Denmark we have a Central Person Register that makes it easier to see if people are taking advantage of our welfare system.

    Is that found a state level in the US?

    Btw. Hustini. Did you see my graph from OECD about the debt of USA and the Eurozone? I wouldn't want you to draw any conclusions on lack of knowledge.
    I'm not sure how they check fraud.
     

    ALC

    Ohaulick
    Oct 28, 2010
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    Yeah, some people really milk the system and imo they should be rounded up and shot, depending on the severity of the crime obviously.

    Still have to say, it seems like the Republican candidates are much worse than Obama imo. I really dislike both Ryan and Romney.
     

    Hust

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    Hustini
    May 29, 2005
    93,703
    In Denmark we have a Central Person Register that makes it easier to see if people are taking advantage of our welfare system.

    Is that found at state level in the US?

    Btw. Hustini. Did you see my graph from OECD about the debt of USA and the Eurozone? I wouldn't want you to draw any conclusions on lack of knowledge.
    No I saw it. I know what the Eurozone is, I know the difference between the EU & Eurozone.
     

    Hust

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    Hustini
    May 29, 2005
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    Yeah, some people really milk the system and imo they should be rounded up and shot, depending on the severity of the crime obviously.

    Still have to say, it seems like the Republican candidates are much worse than Obama imo. I really dislike both Ryan and Romney.
    ~I agree, its too easy to take advantage. If no one is watching, you can practically do what you want.

    ~Why?

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    Any guy running for VP that can do the P90X is cool in my books ;)
     

    Hængebøffer

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    Jun 4, 2009
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    I'm not sure how they check fraud.
    In DK you can't go on welfare, if you have more than 1500 USD on your bank account.
    They also use the Al Capone method on gang members.

    ~I agree, its too easy to take advantage. If no one is watching, you can practically do what you want.

    ~Why?

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    Any guy running for VP that can do the P90X is cool in my books ;)
    But what hurt the system the most? People on welfare cheating or big companies cheating?
     

    ALC

    Ohaulick
    Oct 28, 2010
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    ~I agree, its too easy to take advantage. If no one is watching, you can practically do what you want.

    ~Why?
    He's shown to be a hypocrite. Not to mention he's fabricated facts just to make the opposition look worse. I'm cooking right now so I can't google it but yeah.

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    In DK you can't go on welfare, if you have more than 1500 USD on your bank account.
    They also use the Al Capone method on gang members.



    But what hurt the system the most? People on welfare cheating or big companies cheating?
    Good point. Big companies need to get their shit checked too. I don't think Hustini has anything against that though.
     

    swag

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    I'm afraid we're past the point where facts matter. It seems that the electorate public need emotional reactions to soundbytes, and any facts are the casualty of political war. No one has the patience for them anymore.
     

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