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Siamak

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Aug 13, 2013
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It's shocking, London probably has the vast work forces، Specialists, educated people, and besides all this, access to the global market، So what has lead to this situation?
I got the main point of this video and the stat of unemployment and job seekers that represented in this video is insane but in this video, the exact details of the cause of this decline are not mentioned.
only politic decisions?! what decisions?
 
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Scottish

Zebrastreifenpferd
Mar 13, 2011
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I liked the part at the end where he suggested Brexit triggered Covid which triggered the Ukraine war.

The economically inactive population is the same as the EU as a whole, roughly one quarter of the total population.

More in depth here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52660591
Sure, but there is a huge difference and a growing wealth gap between the UK and the EU. The entire country has been chronically underfunded because of political decisions. The financial crisis was obviously a factor, but New Labour really shat the bed all by themselves as well. I think we'd have had austerity anyway even without 2008.

My issue is that we stuck to the austerity plan long after it was obviously the wrong shout. There was a bit of spending with furlough and then we had a short disastrous forray into trickle down town with Liz, but then Rishi went straight back to the "Financially responsible" line and now Keith has to do the same with his new labour government.

I voted SNP in 2019 because I want off this sinking ship altogether, but Corbyn was the last chance the UK had to start moving in the right direction again. You don't slam the brakes on a wrecked economy, you grease the wheels. Nothing works, everything is crumbling.

Scotland's renewable potential could make the UK (if we're all to stick together as it seems) the battery of Europe. We should be chucking every penny we've got into developing renewable infrastructure and manufacturing. We will be hitting net zero and making bank while helping other countries do the same. That's the simplest solution to several of the problems that the UK faces imo. Only reason we're not doing it must be oil lobbyists nothing else makes sense.

I'll stop ranting there tbh sorry!
 

Scottish

Zebrastreifenpferd
Mar 13, 2011
10,464
It's shocking, London probably has the vast work forces، Specialists, educated people, and besides all this, access to the global market، So what has lead to this situation?
I got the main point of this video and the stat of unemployment and job seekers that represented in this video is insane but in this video, the exact details of the cause of this decline are not mentioned.
only politic decisions?! what decisions?
Various. It's been a mess for 20 years.

-Labour under Gordon Brown mismanaging the economy, which in a many ways began with Blair's obsession with measuring everything via targets. Seems like a good idea rhat for example every police station needs to solve x crimes each week or they don't get funded or whatever. In reality public services played the system to get more funding and things got way warped.
-The Conservatives (tories) came in under Cameron and dealt with 2008 by halting spending instead of investing. Millions plunged into poverty, businesses went tits up and those who had capital bought all the houses and jacked up rents to worsen things for everybody else.
-We kept voting in the tories and they ended up being a split party because of brexit. Those that wanted brexit stayed with the tories, and so they lost a lot of talented politicians who didn't want brexit. Austerity continued and things didn't get any better because there was still no proper investment. Liz truss properly crashed the economy and was kicked out in what was it 5 weeks? Sunak came in and went back to austerity.
-We finally got a change in government but they are also doing austerity.

The country is broke, but despite other countries being able to fix their problems we haven't, because the political will isn't there. There's so much money in London that political decisions are always made to benefit the super rich. I think that's clearer in the UK than in other European countries, though it obviously happens worldwide.
 

Siamak

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Aug 13, 2013
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Various. It's been a mess for 20 years.

-Labour under Gordon Brown mismanaging the economy, which in a many ways began with Blair's obsession with measuring everything via targets. Seems like a good idea rhat for example every police station needs to solve x crimes each week or they don't get funded or whatever. In reality public services played the system to get more funding and things got way warped.
-The Conservatives (tories) came in under Cameron and dealt with 2008 by halting spending instead of investing. Millions plunged into poverty, businesses went tits up and those who had capital bought all the houses and jacked up rents to worsen things for everybody else.
-We kept voting in the tories and they ended up being a split party because of brexit. Those that wanted brexit stayed with the tories, and so they lost a lot of talented politicians who didn't want brexit. Austerity continued and things didn't get any better because there was still no proper investment. Liz truss properly crashed the economy and was kicked out in what was it 5 weeks? Sunak came in and went back to austerity.
-We finally got a change in government but they are also doing austerity.

The country is broke, but despite other countries being able to fix their problems we haven't, because the political will isn't there. There's so much money in London that political decisions are always made to benefit the super rich. I think that's clearer in the UK than in other European countries, though it obviously happens worldwide.
Do you think the amount of committing crime is because of massive immigration?
 

Scottish

Zebrastreifenpferd
Mar 13, 2011
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Do you think the amount of committing crime is because of massive immigration?
Yes, crime here really started about 500'000 years ago when human ancestors started arriving to what is now the UK.

No bro of course not, that's not even my point. What I meant is it was run on quotas to measure performance. But instead of solving real crimes police patrol back streets looking for teenage weed smokers and drunk people pissing. Same thing with hospitals dealing with certain patients first to make their numbers look better to get the funding
 
Jun 16, 2020
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I liked the part at the end where he suggested Brexit triggered Covid which triggered the Ukraine war.

The economically inactive population is the same as the EU as a whole, roughly one quarter of the total population.

More in depth here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52660591
He did not say triggered, but the 3 major events that caused current problems.
 

Fab Fragment

Senior Member
Dec 22, 2018
4,220
Various. It's been a mess for 20 years.

-Labour under Gordon Brown mismanaging the economy, which in a many ways began with Blair's obsession with measuring everything via targets. Seems like a good idea rhat for example every police station needs to solve x crimes each week or they don't get funded or whatever. In reality public services played the system to get more funding and things got way warped.
-The Conservatives (tories) came in under Cameron and dealt with 2008 by halting spending instead of investing. Millions plunged into poverty, businesses went tits up and those who had capital bought all the houses and jacked up rents to worsen things for everybody else.
-We kept voting in the tories and they ended up being a split party because of brexit. Those that wanted brexit stayed with the tories, and so they lost a lot of talented politicians who didn't want brexit. Austerity continued and things didn't get any better because there was still no proper investment. Liz truss properly crashed the economy and was kicked out in what was it 5 weeks? Sunak came in and went back to austerity.
-We finally got a change in government but they are also doing austerity.

The country is broke, but despite other countries being able to fix their problems we haven't, because the political will isn't there. There's so much money in London that political decisions are always made to benefit the super rich. I think that's clearer in the UK than in other European countries, though it obviously happens worldwide.
I admit I don’t know much about UK's economy. I thought Gordon Brown was actually a good PM, not sure how he was as a chancellor of the exchequer.
 

Bianconero_Aus

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May 26, 2009
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@JuveJay @Boksic any other UK based member

This is a question totally unrelated to UK politics (well sort of).

I just watched a Netflix documentary on Jimmy Savile. Wow. What a perverted, creepy, sick and deranged pedo. How in Gods name was this man so famous and relevant for so many years, and also, surely people knew from the start that he was a pedo? He looked like one from central casting. Astonishing really. He was so brazen too, would often hint during interviews about being a sex pest. And the fact that he was given such access to hospital wards (and morgues!!!) is gross beyond belief.

And please don’t tell me you tried to get on the show Jim’ll Fix It :lol:
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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@JuveJay @Boksic any other UK based member

This is a question totally unrelated to UK politics (well sort of).

I just watched a Netflix documentary on Jimmy Savile. Wow. What a perverted, creepy, sick and deranged pedo. How in Gods name was this man so famous and relevant for so many years, and also, surely people knew from the start that he was a pedo? He looked like one from central casting. Astonishing really. He was so brazen too, would often hint during interviews about being a sex pest. And the fact that he was given such access to hospital wards (and morgues!!!) is gross beyond belief.

And please don’t tell me you tried to get on the show Jim’ll Fix It :lol:
He looked like a pedo and acted like one even in front of cameras but basically existed in a time where if you became as famous as he was (he was prime time tv in an era with few channels) you could pay off and control enough people that you could make almost anything go away. In the modern world and with hindsight obviously it seems quite unbelievable, but as I'm sure the show highlights, the ways he got around issues, all the charity work he did made him so high profile, gave him a lot of access, he had media and political sway. Truly a monster. It was only when he died that he lost control and it all came out, but lots of people should be absolutely ashamed. Ultimately I think most people believed, in time, that he was a wrong 'un, there was so much evidence and word around, but people let it happen.
 
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