UK Politics (47 Viewers)

[Scottish]

and which data shows u that exactly? U can look on official UK site and this is what comes up from the statistics (https://www.gov.uk/government/stati...ity-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2022-html):
Predicted probability of receiving a custodial sentence for a reference offender*, by offence and ethnicity (2018-2022).

So maybe its you who are dumb enough to still not understand that they actually commit more crimes and its there in the data?

My brother in Christ this is not who is more likely to do crimes but who is most likely to get jailed. In any case white people are all the way through it so I'm not sure you should be questioning people's comprehension of data.

 

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[Akshen]

My brother in Christ this is not who is more likely to do crimes but who is most likely to get jailed. In any case white people are all the way through it so I'm not sure you should be questioning people's comprehension of data.

most likely to get jailed meaning they will more likely commit more crimes, what are u not understanding here?

 

[Scottish]

Yeah but you'll find idiots everywhere. People are fucking stupid. And this is a country with an established education system. The problem is giving stupid people access to unlimited information.

He might have been a normal kid but let's also make the distinction that he killed and attempted to kill lots of innocent little kids. That's fairly abnornal behaviour. The fact a black lad did is it what turns it from a rare horror to a race war, in the minds of the EDL tracksuit and Stone Island jacket-wearing mob. I'm sure plenty of people would have wanted to kill him if he'd been white, but where do their monkey brains take that anger out then?

Also don't underestimate the amount of false information the Russian and probably Chinese nerds put out in these events. It's not like people are going to sit and fact check, this is the modern world we live in where people die because someone on the internet made something up.

No doubt Russian money is somewhere along the pipeline (tbh I think China has better things to do) but I think it dodges the issue to pin this entirely on foreign meddling.

This country is full of wallopers like this. Britain is a deeply right wing country. A conservative bastion in many different ways. A country that just likes things they way they've always been and why do they have to change? Meanwhile completely failing to understand the reasons things were 'good' back in the day and 'changing' now.

Tommy Robinson and Farage and all that have been platformed by Russian media and all of that. Maybe even been funded directly. But let's face that mobs like these barely needed a nudge. Violent bigotry is indemic to Britain.

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most likely to get jailed meaning they will more likely commit more crimes, what are u not understanding here?

For context the telegraph is a very right wing, zero percent woke newspaper

Spoiler

https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/our-work/key-areas-of-work/race-discrimination

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...t-misogynistic-homophobic-louise-casey-report

 

[campionesidd]

and which data shows u that exactly? U can look on official UK site and this is what comes up from the statistics (https://www.gov.uk/government/stati...ity-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2022-html):
Predicted probability of receiving a custodial sentence for a reference offender*, by offence and ethnicity (2018-2022).

So maybe its you who are dumb enough to still not understand that they actually commit more crimes and its there in the data?

Learn to read bro. You are complaining about immigrants committing crimes, but here you are , committing crimes against the English language.

 

[Akshen]

Learn to read bro. You are complaining about immigrants committing crimes, but here you are , committing crimes against the English language.

first of all, im not complaining, my country doesnt have such a problem. Second this table proves they are more probable to be sentenced, meaning they will commit more crimes, dont see whats wrong here, but i guess far left will do everything to hinder the real data.

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For context the telegraph is a very right wing, zero percent woke newspaper

Spoiler

https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/our-work/key-areas-of-work/race-discrimination

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...t-misogynistic-homophobic-louise-casey-report

So the native englishman commits more crimes, but the police is racist? Haha great argument, but where are the numbers, the guy who i quoted was referring to some data that proves it.

 

[Scottish]

first of all, im not complaining, my country doesnt have such a problem. Second this table proves they are more probable to be sentenced, meaning they will commit more crimes, dont see whats wrong here, but i guess far left will do everything to hinder the real data.

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So the native englishman commits more crimes, but the police is racist? Haha great argument, but where are the numbers, the guy who i quoted was referring to some data that proves it.

What I'm saying is the data you shared detailing jail sentences by race firstly shows sentencing not crimes committed. The propensity of the British police towards racism is well documented and as such non-white, non-British people would be more likely to be prosecuted which discredits sentencing numbers as an accurate measure of crimes committed per racial group.

But in any case, the numbers you give had white people dotted throughout so it doesn't even support the argument you're trying to make.

Finally, you labelled somebody else 'dumb' and unable to read statistics and I pointed out the irony that the data you provided doesnt support the points you made with it, while saying others don't know how to read.

 

[icemaη]

What I'm saying is the data you shared detailing jail sentences by race firstly shows sentencing not crimes committed. The propensity of the British police towards racism is well documented and as such non-white, non-British people would be more likely to be prosecuted which discredits sentencing numbers as an accurate measure of crimes committed per racial group.

But in any case, the numbers you give had white people dotted throughout so it doesn't even support the argument you're trying to make.

Finally, you labelled somebody else 'dumb' and unable to read statistics and I pointed out the irony that the data you provided doesnt support the points you made with it, while saying others don't know how to read.

To their credit the British are at least trying to make amends and change their ways when it comes to institutional racism. Whether it be policing or sports, rather than just deny, deny, deny.

 

[Scottish]

IE: @Akshen the data you give shows the likelihood of a person who has been caught doing a crime being sent to jail for it. 13% of white British people caught with cannabis will go to jail, while it's 20% of black British people go to jail for the same crime.

What did you think this data was? It proves institutional racial bias, not racial propensity for crime.

 

[Akshen]

What I'm saying is the data you shared detailing jail sentences by race firstly shows sentencing not crimes committed. The propensity of the British police towards racism is well documented and as such non-white, non-British people would be more likely to be prosecuted which discredits sentencing numbers as an accurate measure of crimes committed per racial group.

But in any case, the numbers you give had white people dotted throughout so it doesn't even support the argument you're trying to make.

Finally, you labelled somebody else 'dumb' and unable to read statistics and I pointed out the irony that the data you provided doesnt support the points you made with it, while saying others don't know how to read.

i guess whatever fits ur narrative, have a nice day

 

[Scottish]

i guess whatever fits ur narrative, have a nice day

My narrative is based on data...the data you provided.

 

[JuveJay]

No doubt Russian money is somewhere along the pipeline (tbh I think China has better things to do) but I think it dodges the issue to pin this entirely on foreign meddling.

This country is full of wallopers like this. Britain is a deeply right wing country. A conservative bastion in many different ways. A country that just likes things they way they've always been and why do they have to change? Meanwhile completely failing to understand the reasons things were 'good' back in the day and 'changing' now.

Tommy Robinson and Farage and all that have been platformed by Russian media and all of that. Maybe even been funded directly. But let's face that mobs like these barely needed a nudge. Violent bigotry is indemic to Britain.

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For context the telegraph is a very right wing, zero percent woke newspaper

Spoiler

https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/our-work/key-areas-of-work/race-discrimination

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...t-misogynistic-homophobic-louise-casey-report

Valid points, but I'm pretty sure I didn't say anywhere that it was entirely due to foreign influence.

What do you make of the trouble in Belfast and both British and Irish nationalists "uniting" against "mass immigration"?

 

[Akshen]

IE: @Akshen the data you give shows the likelihood of a person who has been caught doing a crime being sent to jail for it. 13% of white British people caught with cannabis will go to jail, while it's 20% of black British people go to jail for the same crime.

What did you think this data was? It proves institutional racial bias, not racial propensity for crime.

Well if i would look at this data, then maybe, just maybe, my first thought is that whites carry cannabis less often than blacks, so get caught less often and so are sentenced less often? but now i get it, ofc its racism.

 

[Scottish]

To their credit the British are at least trying to make amends and change their ways when it comes to institutional racism. Whether it be policing or sports, rather than just deny, deny, deny.

I dunno man, when you bring up rascism in the police the response is always 'Ah well it's not as bad as America' and then move on. That's my experience in my overwhelmingly white (UK based people that is) circle.

I've even seen that on the news. When this issue had its turn as the headline news a couple of years ago an expert presented the data and the BBC anchor said 'well come on you're talking like we're as bad as the USA. We're nowhere near that' and the guy said that's the issue, everybody acts like we're doing great but actually there are real problems which were highlighted 20+ years ago after that kid was killed and nothing has changed because of the dismissal.

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Well if i would look at this data, then maybe, just maybe, my first thought is that whites carry cannabis less often than blacks, so get caught less often and so are sentenced less often? but now i get it, ofc its racism.

Bro, the data is a percentage. It shows that of the group of people who are caught with cannabis, if they are white they are X percentage likely to get jailed. If they are Indian they are Y percentage likely to get jailed.

It's not saying 20% of black people are in jail because cannabis and 14% of white people.

It doesn't say that 20% of people in jail for cannabis are black and 14% white.

It doesn't say 20% of black people smoking weed are blacj and 14% are white.

It shows that of all the white people caught with weed 14% go to jail. Of the black people caught with weed 20% go to jail. You are 6 percentage points more likely to go to jail if you are black vs white.

 

[Wings]

Well if i would look at this data, then maybe, just maybe, my first thought is that whites carry cannabis less often than blacks, so get caught less often and so are sentenced less often? but now i get it, ofc its racism.

Yo! I admire yoru data massaging skills bro! Is it Thai or Chinese?

 

[Scottish]

Valid points, but I'm pretty sure I didn't say anywhere that it was entirely due to foreign influence.

What do you make of the trouble in Belfast and both British and Irish nationalists "uniting" against "mass immigration"?

I haven't followed the news too closely the last week or two tbh but I'd think there are fannies on both sides of the issue of union vs independence.

A unified Ireland would probably have to have a referendum on EU membership given brexit, so I think this sets that issue in an interesting light.

But basically I think that's a minority. I don't think as a whole Ireland objects to brown people coming in as a bipartisan issue.

 

[U Picciriddu]

So foreigners steal more, guys tell me something new we all know that

 

[Seven]

So foreigners steal more, guys tell me something new we all know that

You know what I like about racism?

There's always a linear relationship with stupidity.

 

[U Picciriddu]

You know what I like about racism?

There's always a linear relationship with stupidity.

Haha you make me smile. Took the bait so easy

My group of friends exist of guys from Tunis, Suriname, Antilles, Cape Verde, Morocco, Croatia, Macedonia and Indonesia

Saying racist things against each other has been our bread and butter for life. But we also all at least stole one time, if not many times more lol

But it’s funny seeing your white ass being so sensitive

 

[Wings]

Haha you make me smile. Took the bait so easy

My group of friends exist of guys from Tunis, Suriname, Antilles, Cape Verde, Morocco, Croatia, Macedonia and Indonesia

Saying racist things against each other has been our bread and butter for life. But we also all at least stole one time, if not many times more lol

But it’s funny seeing your white ass being so sensitive

Ok. I am going to bite ... wtf did you steal?

 

[Seven]

Haha you make me smile. Took the bait so easy

My group of friends exist of guys from Tunis, Suriname, Antilles, Cape Verde, Morocco, Croatia, Macedonia and Indonesia

Saying racist things against each other has been our bread and butter for life. But we also all at least stole one time, if not many times more lol

But it’s funny seeing your white ass being so sensitive

That doesn't mean you can't be racist.

It just means you lack conviction.