Uefa fears for international game (1 Viewer)

Zé Tahir

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Dec 10, 2004
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International football will be destroyed if Belgian club Charleroi win a landmark court case, says European football's governing body Uefa.

Charleroi are suing world body Fifa after player Abdelmajid Oulmers was injured playing for Morocco in 2004.

Few countries could fund national teams if Charleroi won, Uefa told BBC Sport.

A spokesman said: "It would be the end of the national team game. A World Cup would take place with only Spain, Germany, Italy, France and England."

A Charleroi victory would mean clubs would become entitled to compensation while their players are away on international duty

The spokesman, William Gaillard, said international football was "in the end what people like the most".

"If you ask the English fans if they would like to see one English club win the Champions League or England win a championship, then I think you know the answer," he said.

Charleroi claim the loss of Oulmers damaged their hopes of winning the Belgian league title in 2004/5 and it wants compensation for having to pay the player's wages while he was out of action.

In May, the case was moved from a tribunal in Charleroi to the European Court of Justice, where it is waiting to be heard.

The club are being backed by the G14 group of clubs, who are unhappy with Fifa rules that players must be released for international football without entitlement to financial compensation.

A Charleroi victory "would be the end of national football for any football association outside of the big five in Europe," Gaillard said.

"I was talking to Brazilian, Scandinavian and Eastern European football experts, and they all said we would never see our stars playing for the national team again.

"A World Cup would take place with only Spain, Germany, Italy, France and England and that would be the end.

"Recently the head of the Irish FA said if we have to pay for our stars we would never see Robbie Keane playing for Ireland again.

"There's no way the Brazilian FA could pay for one fifth of the players."

Newcastle are negotiating with the Football Association for compensation after Michael Owen was injured playing for England during the World Cup.

The FA has one of the most progressive insurance policies in world football, offering to pay the wages of players for up to two years after they suffer injury.

The sums involved are reported to be capped at £55,000 a week.

Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger this week weighed into the debate by likening international coaches to joyriders.

"What the national coaches are doing is like taking the car from his (club manager's) garage without even asking his permission," Wenger said.

"They'll then use his car for 10 days and abandon it in a field without any petrol left in the tank.

"We then have to recover it, but it is broken down. Then, a month later, they'll come to take your car again -and for good measure you're expected to be nice about it."

Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport2/hi/football/6047656.stm
 

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Geof

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May 14, 2004
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Drama Queens!! This stuff ain't new. UEFA should have done somethging about it a long long time ago.

They exagerate the thing so much, just trying to be the victims of the whole system. Idiots.
 

AngelaL

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Aug 25, 2006
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Geof said:
The same club, eh! Perhaps they're short of cash & are looking for novel ways to make money.

Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger this week weighed into the debate by likening international coaches to joyriders.

"What the national coaches are doing is like taking the car from his (club manager's) garage without even asking his permission," Wenger said.

"They'll then use his car for 10 days and abandon it in a field without any petrol left in the tank.

"We then have to recover it, but it is broken down. Then, a month later, they'll come to take your car again -and for good measure you're expected to be nice about it."
Wenger has a point, though.
 
Jul 23, 2006
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AngelaL said:
The same club, eh! Perhaps they're short of cash & are looking for novel ways to make money.



Wenger has a point, though.
wenger defended the club becuz the same club are producing arsenal's arfican stars
he just said that to make them happy
 

Geof

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May 14, 2004
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juventus710 said:
wenger defended the club becuz the same club are producing arsenal's arfican stars
he just said that to make them happy
:disagree: Not true. You're confusing Charleroi and Beveren. Charleroi has no link whatsoever with Arsenal. At least nothing official.

juventus710 said:
no problem, arsenal will give them a million or two
idem
 

Ahmed

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Sep 3, 2006
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They will have to reach some sort of middle ground...most FAs cannot pay the wages of the star players...and clubs cannot afford to lose players to injury when playing for their national teams...its a tough 1
 

sateeh

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Jul 28, 2003
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Uefa and Fifia should've solved the international problem a while ago. The qualifiers take a very long time when they could just group the qualifiers in one month every year.

Also Wenger should be ashamed of himself.Hes not the only one who got international players.He just doesnt have anything to whine about these days.
 

Mr. Gol

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Sep 15, 2004
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#11
Wenger should stop wining everytime something happens that isn't beneficial for him. If Arsenal lose it's never because the other team played better, it's always some excuse.
 

Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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Zé Tahir said:
International football will be destroyed if Belgian club Charleroi win a landmark court case, says European football's governing body Uefa.

Charleroi are suing world body Fifa after player Abdelmajid Oulmers was injured playing for Morocco in 2004.

Few countries could fund national teams if Charleroi won, Uefa told BBC Sport.

A spokesman said: "It would be the end of the national team game. A World Cup would take place with only Spain, Germany, Italy, France and England."

A Charleroi victory would mean clubs would become entitled to compensation while their players are away on international duty

The spokesman, William Gaillard, said international football was "in the end what people like the most".

"If you ask the English fans if they would like to see one English club win the Champions League or England win a championship, then I think you know the answer," he said.

Charleroi claim the loss of Oulmers damaged their hopes of winning the Belgian league title in 2004/5 and it wants compensation for having to pay the player's wages while he was out of action.

In May, the case was moved from a tribunal in Charleroi to the European Court of Justice, where it is waiting to be heard.

The club are being backed by the G14 group of clubs, who are unhappy with Fifa rules that players must be released for international football without entitlement to financial compensation.

A Charleroi victory "would be the end of national football for any football association outside of the big five in Europe," Gaillard said.

"I was talking to Brazilian, Scandinavian and Eastern European football experts, and they all said we would never see our stars playing for the national team again.

"A World Cup would take place with only Spain, Germany, Italy, France and England and that would be the end.

"Recently the head of the Irish FA said if we have to pay for our stars we would never see Robbie Keane playing for Ireland again.

"There's no way the Brazilian FA could pay for one fifth of the players."

Newcastle are negotiating with the Football Association for compensation after Michael Owen was injured playing for England during the World Cup.

The FA has one of the most progressive insurance policies in world football, offering to pay the wages of players for up to two years after they suffer injury.

The sums involved are reported to be capped at £55,000 a week.


Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger this week weighed into the debate by likening international coaches to joyriders.

"What the national coaches are doing is like taking the car from his (club manager's) garage without even asking his permission," Wenger said.

"They'll then use his car for 10 days and abandon it in a field without any petrol left in the tank.

"We then have to recover it, but it is broken down. Then, a month later, they'll come to take your car again -and for good measure you're expected to be nice about it."

Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport2/hi/football/6047656.stm
Is it me or is the solution right there?
 

Oggy

and the Cockroaches
Dec 27, 2005
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#13
Actually I agree with Wenger and Charleoi, I mean Fifa is making billions in the WC and other competitions and givinh only 20% of that sum to teams and it's not fair to anyone.

Clubs are those who are paying player wages, and why should club pay wage to player who is injured in the NT. In this case club is loosing in two ways: First one is that club is loosin imporatnt player which can result bad results and the second one is financial loss especially if that player have big wage.

I say when Fifa is making all those moneys it's fair to compesate damage to clubs.
 

Geof

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May 14, 2004
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#14
If I was a judge, the case would be pretty simple:

clubs employ the players, train them etc. Like any company does with it's employees. All of a sudden, another organisation (be it FIFA, UEFA, or national FA's) comes, takes the players away from their clubs for a few days/weeks(including sanctions if players/clubs refuse) and win money with them. Plus, when players return they are sometimes very tired/injured.

Verdict: The FA's should make up for the loss of the clubs.

Now, I wouldn't ask FA's to pay just because they use players, as it's a kind of national service (just as he state can call up indviduals for the army, to serve in the organisation of elections,...), but they should pay the clubs if the payers return injured.
That would be very easy to do with a system of insurance. You could reduce the costs of those insurance by agreeing that a compensation would only be paid if the players is unable to play for 2 weeks or something. A neutral doctor would follow the player to see if he can play or not.

There is a problem though. How would you fix the compensations? example: Belarus plays a match and Aleksandr Hleb and an unknown sub get injured. The loss suffered by Arsenal, who lost a star player just before a CL semi-final, would be a lot bigger than the loss suffered by FC Shitholeski just before the derby against Metallurg Shitholeski....

interesting stuff for lawyers!!
 

AngelaL

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Aug 25, 2006
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#15
goggo said:
Actually I agree with Wenger and Charleoi, I mean Fifa is making billions in the WC and other competitions and givinh only 20% of that sum to teams and it's not fair to anyone.

Clubs are those who are paying player wages, and why should club pay wage to player who is injured in the NT. In this case club is loosing in two ways: First one is that club is loosin imporatnt player which can result bad results and the second one is financial loss especially if that player have big wage.

I say when Fifa is making all those moneys it's fair to compensate damage to clubs.
:agree: It is a problem & it has to be resolved. When a club is dependant on their star player, & he is injured playing for the NT, they lose the use of their player, games & probably points. We wouldn't like it if DP, Camo, Trez & Gigi all came back injured & unable to play for a couple of months. Even though we're in serie B, Juve still has a lot of players (8 or 9) that play for their NTs & U21's.
 

Jun-hide

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Dec 16, 2002
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Wenger has a gut to suggests that FIFA are thieves. Last time I checked out, Arsenal has been dooling out loads of professional contracts to kids in Italia and Spain because the teams there cant do the same due to their labour laws. Thus leaving these teams, spending millions on youngsters, with pitiful amount of money and bad tastes in their mouth.

Obviously he is right in that FIFA is making billions of dollars on the players they dont own, nor pay for the contribution these players make. Moreover, they have no "right" to take such claims that presumably they do not have statoury powers, nor anyway representatives of average people in the nations. I mean how can England F.A., for instance, can claim to represent the nations, when they are selling part of their matches to cable TVs cause it gives them more cash? UEFA is making aboslutely false claims in that World Cup won't exists if these footballing bodies have to pay money, and lying in order to protect their undeserved high salaries and other luxury benefits that comes with being a member. WC will exists because it is too big a tournament and FIFA makes too much cash not to pay more sidepayment to continue its existence.

Ah why should Newcastle pay for Michael Owen's hefty salary when he rushed his rehab earlier than usual to participate in the tournament. What benefit did they receive while FIFA probably made billions over the summer? FIFA and UEFA, IMO, is almost certain loose this case: Maybe not now but surely later.
 

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