UEFA Blasts Chelsea, Why not Real? (1 Viewer)
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Right, I see where you're going with this but you can't call PSV a great club because they have won the league a number of times despite Ajax and Feyenoord breathing down their necks. On an international level they haven't won anything recently, they haven't even left an impression worth mentioning!
In my opinion - a great club can perform on multiple stages. Ajax got very far in the CL and finished only close second on the very last day of the league. Feyenoord won the UEFAcup two seasons ago. Both of these clubs I consider to be bigger and better than PSV, despite their good national record.
In my opinion - a great club can perform on multiple stages. Ajax got very far in the CL and finished only close second on the very last day of the league. Feyenoord won the UEFAcup two seasons ago. Both of these clubs I consider to be bigger and better than PSV, despite their good national record.
you got a good point.
the consideration of being a big club in europe has always been having the ability to win major european trophies.
sad to say but true.
a club is never established as a prestigious one not until it has made its mark over some european silverware.
but i do think that psv is a great team.
the consideration of being a big club in europe has always been having the ability to win major european trophies.
sad to say but true.
a club is never established as a prestigious one not until it has made its mark over some european silverware.
but i do think that psv is a great team.
Is there any possibility that this all just a make over from UEFA and Chelsea to bring up the popularity, I mean Ab, himself, is a well known business man. I am not saying that Chelsea is wrong in this case nor Madrid, but then they are not right either. They have their money, they have their youth team, if they wanna use their young gunners, well its "Internal" affair I guess.
If UEFA believe that buying new ready to use players, will damaged the development of new talents, well imho, not really. Bringing stars will let the young ones to learn from them as well. But the decision of playing who at the pitch, well.... UEFA can't really force the clubs. Some clubs are lending their young talents to other clubs, in order for them to have an answer for nurturing talents, but aren't they being irresponsible as well tossing the players ard.
And the quality of the players will do the talking. Though buying and spending money buying players, and creating haywire in the transfer market is not good either.
Hope this will create no offense to anyone, just my humble opinion.
If UEFA believe that buying new ready to use players, will damaged the development of new talents, well imho, not really. Bringing stars will let the young ones to learn from them as well. But the decision of playing who at the pitch, well.... UEFA can't really force the clubs. Some clubs are lending their young talents to other clubs, in order for them to have an answer for nurturing talents, but aren't they being irresponsible as well tossing the players ard.
And the quality of the players will do the talking. Though buying and spending money buying players, and creating haywire in the transfer market is not good either.
Hope this will create no offense to anyone, just my humble opinion.
Well, one thing for certain is that I am not really sure about the meaning of young players. Joe Cole and Wayne Bridge have established themselves.
Though yeah, it is true that both of them are being wasted there in chelsea, and so is Portillo in madrid (though he is from madrid all the time) and I agree with You Rickenbacker. But as I said, UEFA can't really fired down rockets to chelsea and madrid as well, since I believe their responds will be the same "look at other clubs UEFA", and the same cycle will continue on I guess.
What I believe UEFA can do is to protect those new players from clutches of big spending clubs. Though I am not sure about legal matters being produced from UEFA about this, hopefully someone can tell me about it?
Just my humble opinion... hopefully not offending anyone
Though yeah, it is true that both of them are being wasted there in chelsea, and so is Portillo in madrid (though he is from madrid all the time) and I agree with You Rickenbacker. But as I said, UEFA can't really fired down rockets to chelsea and madrid as well, since I believe their responds will be the same "look at other clubs UEFA", and the same cycle will continue on I guess.
What I believe UEFA can do is to protect those new players from clutches of big spending clubs. Though I am not sure about legal matters being produced from UEFA about this, hopefully someone can tell me about it?
Just my humble opinion... hopefully not offending anyone
This rule doesn't really protect the young players at all. Chelsea can still look for 26 yrs old mid from England, and Joe Cole will still sit in the bench. I mean if UEFA is really protecting the interests of the youngs, they should go and create a specific rules about it, but then again this is impossible coz all the big clubs will say "lets close down the shop UEFA" and what can the organization do?
This can be look as UEFA is contradicting of their own statement. What I really hate about those big spending clubs, is their ability to destroy the transfer market. They can put any price tag on any players (sometimes over pricing as well).
I still remember how Platini (if I am not wrong) making a huge statement about how UEFA is letting the big clubs to get bigger and richer every day (even through participation in CL). But again how is the respond so far, none. :down: :down:
This can be look as UEFA is contradicting of their own statement. What I really hate about those big spending clubs, is their ability to destroy the transfer market. They can put any price tag on any players (sometimes over pricing as well).
I still remember how Platini (if I am not wrong) making a huge statement about how UEFA is letting the big clubs to get bigger and richer every day (even through participation in CL). But again how is the respond so far, none. :down: :down:
Tacca03 , I am a Real Madrid fan , on football basis only, I am not really a fan oif their transfer policy and the politics that go on behind the scenes, and a s a journalist, you are probably more interested in those kinda things than myself
What I dont like about the Roman issue is he is just a businessman, he is neither a Chelsea man nor is he even English, he is just here to make a big name for himself and he has surely done that
Now what would happen to Chelsea, if he suddenly loses interest in them and all the players they have on huge contracts , now because of Real Madrid's prestige in world football, the government or whoever would bail them out, but noone would bail out chelsea as they are just wannabes in the big game
You say players like Makelele have left Real, well the point is that he did actually play for them and he has gone from getting £25,000 a week which he thinks is way too small to something in the region of between £75-100,000 a week which is monstrous compared to what he brings to the game. He is a very good player but the way Real Madrid play made him look way better than he really is and he is not box office material so his image rights would not really fetch much to the club
Matto------ I never said PSV are a great team, I just said they were more succesful of late domestically than Ajax and I believ they are richer, thats all
Goiing back to Chelsea, we have seen to many clubs in the past trying way too hard and overstretching themselves trying to compete with the big boys only to become so broke it becomes dangerous
What I dont like about the Roman issue is he is just a businessman, he is neither a Chelsea man nor is he even English, he is just here to make a big name for himself and he has surely done that
Now what would happen to Chelsea, if he suddenly loses interest in them and all the players they have on huge contracts , now because of Real Madrid's prestige in world football, the government or whoever would bail them out, but noone would bail out chelsea as they are just wannabes in the big game
You say players like Makelele have left Real, well the point is that he did actually play for them and he has gone from getting £25,000 a week which he thinks is way too small to something in the region of between £75-100,000 a week which is monstrous compared to what he brings to the game. He is a very good player but the way Real Madrid play made him look way better than he really is and he is not box office material so his image rights would not really fetch much to the club
Matto------ I never said PSV are a great team, I just said they were more succesful of late domestically than Ajax and I believ they are richer, thats all
Goiing back to Chelsea, we have seen to many clubs in the past trying way too hard and overstretching themselves trying to compete with the big boys only to become so broke it becomes dangerous
That's the whole bloody point! How is it irght that Madrid should be bailed should have that kind of favouritism? The government did bail them out and they've used that to capture teh biggest names in football. Now, Chelsea were bought by an investor with big funds, it's no less illegitimate if he uses them to buy players than what Madrid did. There's no way that you can argue that this is good for the developement of players. If Madrid didn't have tons of cash, then you'd see very talented players like Guti getting the chance to play. The fact that there are two teams out there, who can seemingly buy anyone and do, indicates a trend towards the concentration of power int he teams who are independently wealthy. Football isn't about attracting a wealthy oil tycoon or getting the favour of the king, it's about developing a good squad to win championships and make money from football.
They're not, actually. PSV (Philips Sport Vereniging) hold all the money. All they need to do is ring up Philips to get another truck load. Only this season, after receiving millions of CL money, is Ajax richer again. But it hasn't been like that over the past years.
But let's drop it, it's off-topic in this thread anyway.
But let's drop it, it's off-topic in this thread anyway.
Theres 2 solutions I see to the problem-
Either make smaller clubs more attractive to star players- reducing the concentration of batigols henrigol and trezegols in big teams and allowing more space for the youth.
Or have small clubs focus on loaning in star youngsters from big clubs to rpovide them playing time in return for some monetary(or otherwise) incentive.
Either make smaller clubs more attractive to star players- reducing the concentration of batigols henrigol and trezegols in big teams and allowing more space for the youth.
Or have small clubs focus on loaning in star youngsters from big clubs to rpovide them playing time in return for some monetary(or otherwise) incentive.
IF there's a moderator out there, can this thread be split into three? The Real Madrid debate, the Ajax debate, and the promotion of youth debate.
My opinions on all three:
1. Madrid were indeed bailed out by the government, when their training ground was bought by them. Their training ground is (was) in a very expensive part of Madrid, and apparently the govenrment will make a tidy profit when construction of the four skyscrapers they're building on it is complete.
My opinions on all three:
1. Madrid were indeed bailed out by the government, when their training ground was bought by them. Their training ground is (was) in a very expensive part of Madrid, and apparently the govenrment will make a tidy profit when construction of the four skyscrapers they're building on it is complete.
2. Ajax are not in the top tier of clubs in Europe, financially or on the playing field. That they can stay within sight fo them at all is a triumph of their youth system and management.
On the other hand, they've had to cut back their foreign youth acadamies as the money is no longer flowing in after the transfer market took a downturn.
Other clubs have tried to copy Ajax's success this way, but have failed for a number of reasons. Ajax's reputation gets them youth players other teams can't get. The start-up costs are prohibitive. No one quite knows how the hell Ajax train these guys up so well.
On the other hand, they've had to cut back their foreign youth acadamies as the money is no longer flowing in after the transfer market took a downturn.
Other clubs have tried to copy Ajax's success this way, but have failed for a number of reasons. Ajax's reputation gets them youth players other teams can't get. The start-up costs are prohibitive. No one quite knows how the hell Ajax train these guys up so well.