Tudor attacks "Heartless" Juve (12 Viewers)

[Max]

Tudor didn't say anything wrong, you idiots. Does anybody here actually think anything differently from what he stated? Everybody who has followed Juventus knows that during the era of the Triad results and monetary salvation were the only important things. Moggi and Giruado are heartless bastards, same thing with the board of directors in charge right now. Sometimes that's what it takes to run a successful football club such as Juventus, but it's one aspect I don't like about our club. Loyalty keeps being thrown out the window by the people in charge. Sad really.

So to all the idiots insulting Tudor... shut the fuck up and learn something about this club.

I get some sort of an Andy aura from this post, but that's besides the point. You say loyalty has been thrown out the window; what I need to know is how you define loyalty. The way I define loyalty is giving your all and not letting up when the going gets tough. Tudor has done nothing this past season to show that he is a loyal individual, a leader, or a player that is pivotal to the squad. You could maybe say he was phenomenal five seasons ago, but that was five seasons ago and this is now. Now you say the club is throwing loyalty out the window, when the man has been paid good money (more than any other club would pay, otherwise he would've left) to sit on an operating table, get carved, and recuperate by watching re-runs of overdubbed episodes of Looney Toons while eating Cheerios.

I don't like Moggi and the like, but Tudor should be kissing the feet of the Triade.

 

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[Vinman]

I get some sort of an Andy aura from this post, but that's besides the point. You say loyalty has been thrown out the window; what I need to know is how you define loyalty. The way I define loyalty is giving your all and not letting up when the going gets tough. Tudor has done nothing this past season to show that he is a loyal individual, a leader, or a player that is pivotal to the squad. You could maybe say he was phenomenal five seasons ago, but that was five seasons ago and this is now. Now you say the club is throwing loyalty out the window, when the man has been paid good money (more than any other club would pay, otherwise he would've left) to sit on an operating table, get carved, and recuperate by watching re-runs of overdubbed episodes of Looney Toons while eating Cheerios.

I don't like Moggi and the like, but Tudor should be kissing the feet of the Triade.

I agree with everything (except the part about disliking Moggi )

 

[Antonio1]

Do not listen to any idiot on this forum who claims Tudor did nothing wrong. He spoke out in public painting the club in a negative light. This club gave Tudor a lot, particuarly when he was warming our injury table. Forget him, he is done and he can take his bad attitude with him.
Let's not forget Ibra's recent comments about Juve being a united group and more so than inter. He's bitter we let him go, forget him, and let's move on from this.

 

[swag]

This isn't news. Tudor was on the table so much that he and the club got in a battle of his contract. The dispute finally ended thus year with an arbitration settlement. So of course Tudor isn't going to have cheery words for the club.

He's unquestionably tainted by that experience, so I can't really listen to what he has to say.

 

[Carlo D]

Slightly off topic, but if we're bringing the board into things, the bottom line in running a major football club is, that it is no different to running a major corporation & there's no sentiment (or loyalty) in business. A board will always ruthlessly do what is best (in their opinion) for the club & themslves...push them into a corner & you find they do what is best for them so they make themselves look good, & hopefully the club too. Pin them to the wall & you find they do what suits them & to hell with loyalty to saleable commodities (players). Put a gun to their heads & you find as long as they are getting what they want, they couldn't care less about the fans either! Forget human beings are involved, when "push comes to shove." It's money & power, baby!

 

[DelpieroForLife]

The Management should have sent Tudor flowers to the hospital whenever he was injured... getting a salary for three years while doing nothing isn't enough for susceptible Igor.

 

[Adzke]

Slightly off topic, but if we're bringing the board into things, the bottom line in running a major football club is, that it is no different to running a major corporation & there's no sentiment (or loyalty) in business. A board will always ruthlessly do what is best (in their opinion) for the club & themslves...push them into a corner & you find they do what is best for them so they make themselves look good, & hopefully the club too. Pin them to the wall & you find they do what suits them & to hell with loyalty to saleable commodities (players). Put a gun to their heads & you find as long as they are getting what they want, they couldn't care less about the fans either! Forget human beings are involved, when "push comes to shove." It's money & power, baby!

I agree. You can't expect a professional football club to be all about loving, sharing, harmony, and stuff. It's business. And thats how it is.

This will propably only add fuel to the fire burning under Secco on this forum. But business is business, and that's how it's supposed to be. If you can't handle that, then you're propably not cut out to be a football player in the world's biggest club (Juventus, if anybody should have doubts).

 

[Carlo D]

I agree. You can't expect a professional football club to be all about loving, sharing, harmony, and stuff. It's business. And that's how it is.

It's a sad fact of life...I don't say I agree with the way it works, but there's no escaping from it...I think you're as cynical as I am...

 

[Adzke]

I agree. You can't expect a professional football club to be all about loving, sharing, harmony, and stuff. It's business. And that's how it is.

It's a sad fact of life...I don't say I agree with the way it works, but there's no escaping from it...I think you're as cynical as I am...

Either that, or I'm drunk - int:

 

[Badass J Elkann]

i recon this is all been blown out of proportion and exaggerated quotes

 

[Carlo D]

i recon this is all been blown out of proportion and exaggerated quotes

Possibly, I remember Tudor scoring more than 1 vital (headed) goal for us, so he wasn't by any means useless, (until his injuries) but protocol demands a player doesn't start bad mouthing until he retires & writes his memoirs...

 

[d.nico]

He loves Juve too much. That's why he feels bitter when he left.

 

[Carlo D]

He loves Juve too much. That's why he feels bitter when he left.

When you have too much time to think, as Tudor did, while injured, that can be a bad thing. He must have felt terrible when he couldn't play, & the 2 things together made him bitter...then, as I already said, management couldn't care less about negative aspects, in other words, in his case a player who was not what he once was. Add the 3 things together & you have a guy with a very bad spirit.

 

[Lion]

Lion attacks "brainless" Tudor.

 

[Zare]

I get some sort of an Andy aura from this post, but that's besides the point. You say loyalty has been thrown out the window; what I need to know is how you define loyalty. The way I define loyalty is giving your all and not letting up when the going gets tough. Tudor has done nothing this past season to show that he is a loyal individual, a leader, or a player that is pivotal to the squad. You could maybe say he was phenomenal five seasons ago, but that was five seasons ago and this is now. Now you say the club is throwing loyalty out the window, when the man has been paid good money (more than any other club would pay, otherwise he would've left) to sit on an operating table, get carved, and recuperate by watching re-runs of overdubbed episodes of Looney Toons while eating Cheerios.

I don't like Moggi and the like, but Tudor should be kissing the feet of the Triade.

What is it with people and castigating a player for being injured all the time? Do you people seriously think Tudor just adores sitting on the sidelines while soaking up money under his contract? You honestly believe he loves being injured all the time and it's really his fault? He's a professional footballer for goddamn's sake. It's painful enough for him to be out of action for so long, season after season, when from 2000 until 2004 he was one of our best defenders... now after the club wanted him out for years, the so called "fans" have to chime in their nonsense. Even before these comments several people were blasting Tudor for being lazy and worthless, but apparently people don't have much understanding for medicine. Funny thing is though this isn't brain surgery.

It's not just about Tudor as we have seen not only the Triad fuck over supporters but now even this current board doesn't respect some of greatest players. Tudor was a loyal servant until he was injured, scored some absolutely crucial goals in the past and never complained when benched or shipped on loan. But some people here have trouble remembering such memories and focus on these new comments, which are amazingly not even remotely close to slander.

So lets analyze his comments.

"There I learnt a brutal professionalism, without heart. When you play and you're good, everyone is around you, but when you don't play, you're on the transfer list, they don't consider you anymore.

This is the TRUTH. When Tudor was healthy and playing regulary under Lippi, everybody here loved him and he was praised to high heaven, especially after scoring the goal against Depor. When Capello came into the picture he had no use for Tudor, so off on loan he went. When Tudor was struggling with injury after injury even at Siena, people started castigating him. Why? Because they're fucking ungrateful retards. That nice little compliment goes out to not only other employees at the club but also people on this board.

"I was present and saw some great players of the past years like Antonio Conte and Paolo Montero who left without receiving even a flower from the club.

More TRUTH.

"Juventus is like a machine, Between the players there are no friendships. Only amongst the Italians there is a bit of reciprocal respect, but nothing much. The only thing that matters is the training and the match. Then everyone goes back home on his own."

Although these statements seem to be blown out of proportion, but since Tudor was a player for us for over five years, he would know.

Tudor isn't insulting the club. He's not saying anything we didn't already know to be honest. But apparently some people are too caught up with the title of the article or are just too biased to realize that Tudor is speaking the truth for the most part. Funny thing is, the same people who are blasting Tudor for his comments denounced Juventus one year ago when we were down and out, stating they wouldn't support a cheating club. Funny how times have changed.

So to sum it all up, people hate on Tudor because he was perpetually injured, which isn't his fault mind you, and blast him for stating the truth. Anybody insulting Tudor over this is quite frankly a biased idiot and need to learn a little more about this club, or just get out. Too many people don't understand a thing about loyalty.

 

[Zare]

Do not listen to any idiot on this forum who claims Tudor did nothing wrong. He spoke out in public painting the club in a negative light. This club gave Tudor a lot, particuarly when he was warming our injury table. Forget him, he is done and he can take his bad attitude with him.
Let's not forget Ibra's recent comments about Juve being a united group and more so than inter. He's bitter we let him go, forget him, and let's move on from this.

It's a negative light that is the truth and one of the things that should be despised about this club. And even some of the supporters.

And by the way, Tudor gave this club a lot mind you, so either shut the fuck up or show some respect.

 

[d.nico]

When you have too much time to think, as Tudor did, while injured, that can be a bad thing. He must have felt terrible when he couldn't play, & the 2 things together made him bitter...then, as I already said, management couldn't care less about negative aspects, in other words, in his case a player who was not what he once was. Add the 3 things together & you have a guy with a very bad spirit.

that's why i can feel his frustation.

 

[Luftwaffles]

This isn't news. Tudor was on the table so much that he and the club got in a battle of his contract. The dispute finally ended thus year with an arbitration settlement. So of course Tudor isn't going to have cheery words for the club.

He's unquestionably tainted by that experience, so I can't really listen to what he has to say.

That pretty much summarizes the whole thing. Tudor gave little to Juve ober the last 4 seasons. Juve gave him every chance with his injury problems.

 

[suligodsilla]

What is it with people and castigating a player for being injured all the time? Do you people seriously think Tudor just adores sitting on the sidelines while soaking up money under his contract? You honestly believe he loves being injured all the time and it's really his fault? He's a professional footballer for goddamn's sake. It's painful enough for him to be out of action for so long, season after season, when from 2000 until 2004 he was one of our best defenders... now after the club wanted him out for years, the so called "fans" have to chime in their nonsense. Even before these comments several people were blasting Tudor for being lazy and worthless, but apparently people don't have much understanding for medicine. Funny thing is though this isn't brain surgery.

It's not just about Tudor as we have seen not only the Triad fuck over supporters but now even this current board doesn't respect some of greatest players. Tudor was a loyal servant until he was injured, scored some absolutely crucial goals in the past and never complained when benched or shipped on loan. But some people here have trouble remembering such memories and focus on these new comments, which are amazingly not even remotely close to slander.

So lets analyze his comments.



This is the TRUTH. When Tudor was healthy and playing regulary under Lippi, everybody here loved him and he was praised to high heaven, especially after scoring the goal against Depor. When Capello came into the picture he had no use for Tudor, so off on loan he went. When Tudor was struggling with injury after injury even at Siena, people started castigating him. Why? Because they're fucking ungrateful retards. That nice little compliment goes out to not only other employees at the club but also people on this board.



More TRUTH.



Although these statements seem to be blown out of proportion, but since Tudor was a player for us for over five years, he would know.

Tudor isn't insulting the club. He's not saying anything we didn't already know to be honest. But apparently some people are too caught up with the title of the article or are just too biased to realize that Tudor is speaking the truth for the most part. Funny thing is, the same people who are blasting Tudor for his comments denounced Juventus one year ago when we were down and out, stating they wouldn't support a cheating club. Funny how times have changed.

So to sum it all up, people hate on Tudor because he was perpetually injured, which isn't his fault mind you, and blast him for stating the truth. Anybody insulting Tudor over this is quite frankly a biased idiot and need to learn a little more about this club, or just get out. Too many people don't understand a thing about loyalty.

agree with every word

 

[Oggy]

Funny thing is, the same people who are blasting Tudor for his comments denounced Juventus one year ago when we were down and out, stating they wouldn't support a cheating club. Funny how times have changed.

Funny thing is that this statement is coming from someone who joined this forum after we won promotion...