aragorn whether a players history matters or not isnt arbitrary. how can it only apply to people who still perform?
whats the connection???!!
whats the connection???!!
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The meaning was that we shouldn't hold on to Trez and adore him so much just because of his history.........it's what he's doing now that should matter. Yeah he scored and won us a league and all that, but we're not indebted to him for life for doing that and then he can screw us over every game and somehow...we still owe him admiration and utmost respect?!!
we dont owe him utmost respect and admiration we owe him a chance. thats what i want to say.
if he is someone who has not proven himself in the past inspite of repeated chances then drop him like a ton of bricks i say.
the point that has been established is that he is not being fed due to the tactical changes from seasons before.
Did he have a chance? Last season he was injured for most of it and still scored 8 goals. This season has just started, give him time to find the form.
If we waited for DP for 4 seasons, I guess we can wait for Trezeguet a few matches. After all he's been playing badly and not scoring only from the 3rd matchday.
Trezeguet is a player that depends on form. Right now his form makes him miss even the easiest of chances, but once he gets back his best form, anything he touches will go in.
If we waited for DP for 4 seasons, I guess we can wait for Trezeguet a few matches. After all he's been playing badly and not scoring only from the 3rd matchday.
Trezeguet is a player that depends on form. Right now his form makes him miss even the easiest of chances, but once he gets back his best form, anything he touches will go in.
Oh reallly? what do u mean its generally easier to score from penalties, how come players like Totti, Inzaghi, Owen, Raul and even Ronaldo (and Henry never seems to score from it when the stakes are high, rememebr Figo's miss against us that would have put us out of the Cl final )do not have good records from penalties but would score tap-ins with their eyes shut
It generally depends on your ability and confidence in your ability to score from pens, RVn missed 3 in a row this season, Maradona missed 6 in a row for Boca and he is one of the best penalty kickers ever whereas you don't need ability to score from tap-ins just sixth sense or why do u think so many gr8 players have missed penalties in shootouts
And to all the vultures maybe every player should be given 5 years to prove to us that they are crap because Dp was given 2 years to prove his worth after coming back from serious injury
It seems the same people in every discussion would always bring up Dp's name when it comes to negativity.
For the record it was not because of Dp that Lazio won the league, no he did not have a gr8 season but he did not lead to directly losing of points unlike Inzaghi's penalty miss against Lecce, which cost us 2 points and some trash at the back while Roma were just the best team in the league when they won it and we did well to hang on to when we did
But if you listen to detractors , its as if Dp missed so many open goals and was totally hopeless and thats why we did not win the league
It generally depends on your ability and confidence in your ability to score from pens, RVn missed 3 in a row this season, Maradona missed 6 in a row for Boca and he is one of the best penalty kickers ever whereas you don't need ability to score from tap-ins just sixth sense or why do u think so many gr8 players have missed penalties in shootouts
And to all the vultures maybe every player should be given 5 years to prove to us that they are crap because Dp was given 2 years to prove his worth after coming back from serious injury
It seems the same people in every discussion would always bring up Dp's name when it comes to negativity.
For the record it was not because of Dp that Lazio won the league, no he did not have a gr8 season but he did not lead to directly losing of points unlike Inzaghi's penalty miss against Lecce, which cost us 2 points and some trash at the back while Roma were just the best team in the league when they won it and we did well to hang on to when we did
But if you listen to detractors , its as if Dp missed so many open goals and was totally hopeless and thats why we did not win the league
oh come on , trez might not be an excellent player and plays like sh*t at the moment, but he has contributed some important goals over the past few seasons, why not just give him the chance to regain his form ?
i agree, if we can wait for dp, we could wait a few matches for trez. nobody's perfect... every player is bound to screw up some time..
i agree, if we can wait for dp, we could wait a few matches for trez. nobody's perfect... every player is bound to screw up some time..
theres a lot of factors to take into consideration when comparing penalties and tap-ins, most of which you dont bring up. there is a psychological aspect- a conscious working that is involved in taking penalties whereas tap-ins are instinctual and the decision-making is not quite deliberate or pondered over.
you need more technical skill for a tap-in than a penalty.
Wont speak for all the others but I bring up the period where Del Piero suffered a drought not because of ill feeling but because we are ridiculously biased and seem to forget a player's ability and potential too quickly for anybody's good. Dp certainly had a bad season when Lazio won the league, and how in the world can u compare Pippo's one missed penalty to DP's poor shows week in and week out? Yeah it cost us two points but we lost more overall with DP's performance than with Pippo's missed penalty. We reached where we did however because of Filippo's extra effort. He may not have been the perfect forward but hell he scored a lot of goals and his goals brought us close as anything to the scudetto.
Im not a DP basher. Back then when people wanted him sold(sound familiar??
) I was for giving him time to get back to form.
And I maintain my view with Trez similarly.
you need more technical skill for a tap-in than a penalty.
Wont speak for all the others but I bring up the period where Del Piero suffered a drought not because of ill feeling but because we are ridiculously biased and seem to forget a player's ability and potential too quickly for anybody's good. Dp certainly had a bad season when Lazio won the league, and how in the world can u compare Pippo's one missed penalty to DP's poor shows week in and week out? Yeah it cost us two points but we lost more overall with DP's performance than with Pippo's missed penalty. We reached where we did however because of Filippo's extra effort. He may not have been the perfect forward but hell he scored a lot of goals and his goals brought us close as anything to the scudetto.
Im not a DP basher. Back then when people wanted him sold(sound familiar??
) I was for giving him time to get back to form. And I maintain my view with Trez similarly.
Oh c'mon you think a Tap in is much harder to score than a penalty. and requires special skills
Yeah, I get your point and your Trezeguet didn't suffer what Dp suffered back then, now did he ?? He has no excuse for being out of form. It has been more than 5 months now, with no single good performance. since last May or even before. and still there are no signs of improvemnet. we can't just let him play and waste all our good opportunities. it's not fair. we have others who could get the job done. and are in a better form. enough said.
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Wont speak for all the others but I bring up the period where Del Piero suffered a drought not because of ill feeling but because we are ridiculously biased and seem to forget a player's ability and potential too quickly for anybody's good. Dp certainly had a bad season when Lazio won the league, and how in the world can u compare Pippo's one missed penalty to DP's poor shows week in and week out? Yeah it cost us two points but we lost more overall with DP's performance than with Pippo's missed penalty. We reached where we did however because of Filippo's extra effort. He may not have been the perfect forward but hell he scored a lot of goals and his goals brought us close as anything to the scudetto.
Im not a DP basher. Back then when people wanted him sold(sound familiar??) I was for giving him time to get back to form.
And I maintain my view with Trez similarly.
Wont speak for all the others but I bring up the period where Del Piero suffered a drought not because of ill feeling but because we are ridiculously biased and seem to forget a player's ability and potential too quickly for anybody's good. Dp certainly had a bad season when Lazio won the league, and how in the world can u compare Pippo's one missed penalty to DP's poor shows week in and week out? Yeah it cost us two points but we lost more overall with DP's performance than with Pippo's missed penalty. We reached where we did however because of Filippo's extra effort. He may not have been the perfect forward but hell he scored a lot of goals and his goals brought us close as anything to the scudetto.
Im not a DP basher. Back then when people wanted him sold(sound familiar??
) I was for giving him time to get back to form. And I maintain my view with Trez similarly.
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Oh c'mon you think a Tap in is much harder to score than a penalty. and requires special skills
Yeah, I get your point and your Trezeguet didn't suffer what Dp suffered back then, now did he ?? He has no excuse for being out of form. It has been more than 5 months now, with no single good performance. since last May or even before. and still there are no signs of improvemnet. we can't just let him play and waste all our good opportunities. it's not fair. we have others who could get the job done. and are in a better form. enough said.
Oh c'mon you think a Tap in is much harder to score than a penalty. and requires special skills
Yeah, I get your point and your Trezeguet didn't suffer what Dp suffered back then, now did he ?? He has no excuse for being out of form. It has been more than 5 months now, with no single good performance. since last May or even before. and still there are no signs of improvemnet. we can't just let him play and waste all our good opportunities. it's not fair. we have others who could get the job done. and are in a better form. enough said.
Well said LAC 
About tap-ins, it's not the actual tap-in that you must consider but the fact that the player can free himself from his marker and find himself in a good position to score the tap-in. Not many strikers can do that and few have this opportunism skill otherwise all strikers would be able to score 20+ goals per season.
Seriously, if we waited for DP that much why cannot we wait for Trez? His form will soon be back and start scoring goals.
About tap-ins, it's not the actual tap-in that you must consider but the fact that the player can free himself from his marker and find himself in a good position to score the tap-in. Not many strikers can do that and few have this opportunism skill otherwise all strikers would be able to score 20+ goals per season.
Seriously, if we waited for DP that much why cannot we wait for Trez? His form will soon be back and start scoring goals.
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Well said LAC
About tap-ins, it's not the actual tap-in that you must consider but the fact that the player can free himself from his marker and find himself in a good position to score the tap-in. Not many strikers can do that and few have this opportunism skill otherwise all strikers would be able to score 20+ goals per season.
Seriously, if we waited for DP that much why cannot we wait for Trez? His form will soon be back and start scoring goals.
Well said LAC
About tap-ins, it's not the actual tap-in that you must consider but the fact that the player can free himself from his marker and find himself in a good position to score the tap-in. Not many strikers can do that and few have this opportunism skill otherwise all strikers would be able to score 20+ goals per season.
Seriously, if we waited for DP that much why cannot we wait for Trez? His form will soon be back and start scoring goals.