To all those whom I offended yesterday... (21 Viewers)

[Lion]

I see nothing wrong with the Muslims who take grave offense when they feel that their sacred symbols have been violated. Where I draw the line is what they do about it.

It's one thing for someone to take offense. It's another to call for death threats.

The first is acceptable. The second is not under any circumstances.

Well Said

The only exception to when violence is acceptable is when Nancy is insulted.

 

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[Bjerknes]

I don't think you understand the cultures of most Muslim nations, or indeed most Asian nations.

I live in Indonesia and people here are very devout when it comes to religion even those with more liberal views.

Me and my family are all Christians and if someone in my family saw what you're describing they'd be very offended and so would most other Christians here and they would probably protest and 'make a big stink about it'.

Of course death threats and violence are unacceptable and I personally think that the cartoons were not all that offensive and that the reaction was unwarranted, but I'm not a Muslim and Islam, if I'm not mistaken, forbids any pictures of Muhammad at all, to avoid idolatry.

So I think you would understand their reaction better if you lived here or in another very religiously devout country.

Fair enough. But what we're taking about here is the degree to which people take offense to matters. I mean, this is the real world here. People could get "offended" by anything that they don't agree with. Could you tell me what you don't agree with?

I'm sure you can, and therein lies my point. Sure, the Muslims don't agree with the cartoon and find it offensive. Okay. But wouldn't that mean whomever doesn't believe in Mohammed would be offensive to the Muslims as well?

I mean, if you truly believe in something, especially religious matters, you could find anything that is against your belief system offensive. The fact that Muslims do take that cartoon seriously is worrying considering the amount of backlash we saw after the release of it. It brings up questions. You know, like, with just one cartoon we have Danes being banned from Sudan. Are the Muslims going to take it out on all Danes, or just direct their hate towards the author of the cartoon?

Why don't people go out and just find all the people who spoke "badly" against Muslims on the internet? This is the precedent Muslims set with burning flags and shooting guns off due to a cartoon.

And no, it's NOT FUCKING ACCEPTABLE.

I don't know about protesting publicly against that, but you do know that Islam is against any disrespect for its religion as well as others. So yes, your average mainstream muslim would naturally oppose these things and any form of disrespect or provocations against Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc. I don't think you know well Islam well enough to come to this conclusion Andy.

Again, I've heard all this before. Andy you don't know Islam, Andy you don't understand us, etc. Yet dicks in the mouth of Jesus are considered highly offensive and sacrilege by the Catholic Church, yet you don't see Catholics burning flags and shooting off their weapons. Although you may, by chance, see them fucking their alter boys, but that's besides the point.

I see nothing wrong with the Muslims who take grave offense when they feel that their sacred symbols have been violated. Where I draw the line is what they do about it.

It's one thing for someone to take offense. It's another to call for death threats.

The first is acceptable. The second is not under any circumstances.

Exactly. But then again, taking such offense to something as trivial as a comic is not a very healthy thing and lacks a lot of humility.

 

[chester]

Well, to be truthful, guys, vlatko is apologizing for what he posted about Turks and people in Turkey -- not necessarily about Muslims at all per se (though some might debate that).

Still, that issue has past. Let's move on. I'm actually really impressed that vlatko showed the balls to come out an apologize for it. To be honest, it probably wasn't all that necessary since the thread was deleted right away, but it's a classy gesture.

Word to you, mate.

I vlatko. :hug:

I don't know what has been said, but I have known v for many years, and I am not surprised he apologised, that is the v I know.

 

[Paolo Sosa]

Fair enough. But what we're taking about here is the degree to which people take offense to matters. I mean, this is the real world here. People could get "offended" by anything that they don't agree with. Could you tell me what you don't agree with?

I'm sure you can, and therein lies my point. Sure, the Muslims don't agree with the cartoon and find it offensive. Okay. But wouldn't that mean whomever doesn't believe in Mohammed would be offensive to the Muslims as well?

I mean, if you truly believe in something, especially religious matters, you could find anything that is against your belief system offensive. The fact that Muslims do take that cartoon seriously is worrying considering the amount of backlash we saw after the release of it. It brings up questions. You know, like, with just one cartoon we have Danes being banned from Sudan. Are the Muslims going to take it out on all Danes, or just direct their hate towards the author of the cartoon?

Why don't people go out and just find all the people who spoke "badly" against Muslims on the internet? This is the precedent Muslims set with burning flags and shooting guns off due to a cartoon.

And no, it's NOT FUCKING ACCEPTABLE.



Again, I've heard all this before. Andy you don't know Islam, Andy you don't understand us, etc. Yet dicks in the mouth of Jesus are considered highly offensive and sacrilege by the Catholic Church, yet you don't see Catholics burning flags and shooting off their weapons. Although you may, by chance, see them fucking their alter boys, but that's besides the point.



Exactly. But then again, taking such offense to something as trivial as a comic is not a very healthy thing and lacks a lot of humility.

Andy u r talking about like a billion Muslims worldwide,reactions r different among different ppl some may express there anger with burning flags and others like us by a simple dislike. everyone express his anger in a certain way and they burned the flags of the Dans because they stood by the artist. anyway it's just how ppl react to certain incident. i don't want to go further on this matter. Asian ppl are very calm while arabs have high temper