To all those whom I offended yesterday... (23 Viewers)

[Snoop]

Muslims were always like this, no jokes are accepted by them about the religion, always serious on this note, but that doesn't make them bad people. Muslims or Arabs have some values, you can't fucking find it in the whole world, I give you a little example, my friend, who is a Christian, had an accident when he was out of the city, they all came close to him, and helped him and for free ofcourse, they even offered him to stay in their house for the night, until the car is fixed. I don't think you could find morals like this somewhere else..

 

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[Bjerknes]

I never said it makes them bad people.

 

[ReBeL]

Muslims were always like this, no jokes are accepted by them about the religion, always serious on this note, but that doesn't make them bad people. Muslims or Arabs have some values, you can't fucking find it in the whole world, I give you a little example, my friend, who is a Christian, had an accident when he was out of the city, they all came close to him, and helped him and for free ofcourse, they even offered him to stay in their house for the night, until the car is fixed. I don't think you could find morals like this somewhere else..

You can't generalize that too, Snoop

I, for example, won't host your friend ever.:evil:

All peoples from around the world have good and bad people in all the aspects.

 

[Bjerknes]

Seriously, Muslims were not like this since ever. It was after 11/9 when all the World jumped and generalized the bad look to the Muslims without making much efforts into looking into their backgrounds.

Muslims, since then, have become more resistant to any accusation or attack on them or to any of their symbols. I don't see that as an abnormal thing.

but I'm biased for sure

Right or wrong for the treatment, you just can't get that offended by a cartoon.

And to counter your 9/11 point, the President of Sudan ordered that Danish citizens will never be allowed in Sudan again. Well wow, what a loss that is to people in Denmark.

 

[Alen]

Muslims were always like this, no jokes are accepted by them about the religion, always serious on this note, but that doesn't make them bad people. Muslims or Arabs have some values, you can't fucking find it in the whole world, I give you a little example, my friend, who is a Christian, had an accident when he was out of the city, they all came close to him, and helped him and for free ofcourse, they even offered him to stay in their house for the night, until the car is fixed. I don't think you could find morals like this somewhere else..

Yeah, i especially rate the Turks in this aspect.
I spend two months in Istanbul few years ago. Man, whenever i needed something and ask about the route or anything, these guys offered themselves to take me there by a car. They see you for the first time in their life and they're helping you
Everything was passing in my sick mind. I thought they'll ask money, or kidnap me or what not, but these guys were doing it for free.

And we're talking about a city with +10m inhabitants where you can lose more than an hour just to go from one part of the town to another.

Paris and the French on the other hand....

 

[ReBeL]

Right or wrong for the treatment, you just can't get that offended by a cartoon.

And to counter your 9/11 point, the President of Sudan ordered that Danish citizens will never be allowed in Sudan again. Well wow, what a loss that is to people in Denmark.

Again, the cartoon in your viewpoint Andy is not seen from the same lens of a guy living all his life in a Muslim environement where anybody can be insulted except God and the Prophet Mohammed. You can't blame him that he respects his symbols very much. You can blame those who offended him on purpose just to have some fun.

And I didn't really hear about that Sudan thing.

 

[Bjerknes]

Again, the cartoon in your viewpoint Andy is not seen from the same lens of a guy living all his life in a Muslim environement where anybody can be insulted except God and the Prophet Mohammed. You can't blame him that he respects his symbols very much. You can blame those who offended him on purpose just to have some fun.

And I didn't really hear about that Sudan thing.

In my honest opinion, I find this disgusting and intolerant. By this logic, you can say that anyone who doesn't believe in Mohammed is someone who should be persecuted.

Sorry, not going to subscribe.

 

[Geof]

Yeah, i especially rate the Turks in this aspect.
I spend two months in Istanbul few years ago. Man, whenever i needed something and ask about the route or anything, these guys offered themselves to take me there by a car. They see you for the first time in their life and they're helping you
Everything was passing in my sick mind. I thought they'll ask money, or kidnap me or what not, but these guys were doing it for free.

And we're talking about a city with +10m inhabitants where you can lose more than an hour just to go from one part of the town to another.

Paris and the French on the other hand....

I concur on the Turks. I spent six weeks travelling through Turkey, and man that was the best time of my life. In the middle of nowhere, people were offering us tea, food, a place to sleep. Heck, one time, a whole village brought us to a mountain cabin they had with three nice beds for us to stay. In the morning, some women came to offer us fresh yoghurt and fruit. I'll never forget these guys.

At some point it even became too much for us to handle. We were afraid of asking anything to people, because we knew they'd offer us tea, food, and whatnot, and it would be impolite to refuse.

 

[ReBeL]

In my honest opinion, I find this disgusting and intolerant. By this logic, you can say that anyone who doesn't believe in Mohammed is someone who should be persecuted.

Sorry, not going to subscribe.

I didn't say that. I respect those who follow Buddha for example although I don't believe in what they believe. Does that make me Buddhist? No. But does that make the mutual respect easier?? Of course, yes.

 

[Fred]

I would say Muslims probably are more sensitive.

Folk make fun of religion all the time, but other religions don't feel the need to riot about it.

nothing wrong about that

You still haven't given me your opinion about the subject at hand. If anything your the one making ad hominem attacks here . I don't target Fred at all by the way, but I see him targetting me, which is why I respond every so often. It's also not about trying to be rude, I am actually a kind and loving.. sorry.

I never thought you would care as you're far, far above me morally.

Bes, you've got some issues man. I used to like you, but now you're a pretty average poster.

To be completely fair, this is true.

In my honest opinion, I find this disgusting and intolerant. By this logic, you can say that anyone who doesn't believe in Mohammed is someone who should be persecuted.

Sorry, not going to subscribe.

You dont have to believe in anything, but is it really too much to ask, when we want other people to refrain from insulting our religous symbols.

 

[Miki]

All religions should be respected. However, we don't always understand each other's point of view. Reaction to that cartoon may seem extreme to some people, myself included, but its just their way of seeing things.
Just my opinion.

 

[Lion]

or kidnap me[/B] or what not, but these guys were doing it for free.

I bet the thought of someone kidnapping you, blindfolding you and handcuffing, made you horny. You wanted someone to have his way with you, Alen

In my honest opinion, I find this disgusting and intolerant. By this logic, you can say that anyone who doesn't believe in Mohammed is someone who should be persecuted.

Sorry, not going to subscribe.

now your are just grasping at straws

Ok. You've already explained what you think about 10 times already, we get what you think. But until you listen to Muslim side of the argument, you can't really comment. This is something that I encounter often. People voice what they think about a situation involving Muslims immediately, and say how whiny, or sensitive they are, but they refuse to look at it from the Muslim perspective. And by Muslim perspective I don't mean the crazy fundamentalists the media always seem to love giving interviews to that don't even represent 3% of Muslims.

 

[Fred]

I bet the thought of someone kidnapping you, blindfolding you and handcuffing, made you horny. You wanted someone to have his way with you, Alen



now your are just grasping at straws

Ok. You've already explained what you think about 10 times already, we get what you think. But until you listen to Muslim side of the argument, you can't really comment. This is something that I encounter often. People voice what they think about a situation involving Muslims immediately, and say how whiny, or sensitive they are, but they refuse to look at it from the Muslim perspective. And by Muslim perspective I don't mean the crazy fundamentalists the media always seem to love giving interviews to that don't even represent 3% of Muslims.

I hope people pay attention to this part of Lions post, people have to know that organisations like Al Qaeda do not represent Islam in any way at all.

 

[Bjerknes]

I didn't say that. I respect those who follow Buddha for example although I don't believe in what they believe. Does that make me Buddhist? No. But does that make the mutual respect easier?? Of course, yes.

You dont have to believe in anything, but is it really too much to ask, when we want other people to refrain from insulting our religous symbols.

I don't insult your religious symbols. However, I do insult the fact people can't take a joke and look like hypocrites.

now your are just grasping at straws

Ok. You've already explained what you think about 10 times already, we get what you think. But until you listen to Muslim side of the argument, you can't really comment. This is something that I encounter often. People voice what they think about a situation involving Muslims immediately, and say how whiny, or sensitive they are, but they refuse to look at it from the Muslim perspective. And by Muslim perspective I don't mean the crazy fundamentalists the media always seem to love giving interviews to that don't even represent 3% of Muslims.

I'm not grasping at any straws. I've put myself in their shoes before since I was once a Catholic through my youth, and every single month I would see something insulting towards Jesus Christ or God, with even images of dicks in their mouths. Did I burn flags, fire off guns, or make a big stink about it? FUCK NO.

And if you're oh so concerned for this respect of Muslim traditions and "fairness," why don't any of these Muslims speak out against all the other jokes made about any other religion?

That, RIGHT THERE, is the essence of hypocrisy, and thus why I can blast the Muslims all I want regarding this issue.

 

[LaDY HeaDBuTT]

I'm not grasping at any straws. I've put myself in their shoes before since I was once a Catholic through my youth, and every single month I would see something insulting towards Jesus Christ or God, with even images of dicks in their mouths. Did I burn flags, fire off guns, or make a big stink about it? FUCK NO.

I don't think you understand the cultures of most Muslim nations, or indeed most Asian nations.

I live in Indonesia and people here are very devout when it comes to religion even those with more liberal views.

Me and my family are all Christians and if someone in my family saw what you're describing they'd be very offended and so would most other Christians here and they would probably protest and 'make a big stink about it'.

Of course death threats and violence are unacceptable and I personally think that the cartoons were not all that offensive and that the reaction was unwarranted, but I'm not a Muslim and Islam, if I'm not mistaken, forbids any pictures of Muhammad at all, to avoid idolatry.

So I think you would understand their reaction better if you lived here or in another very religiously devout country.

 

[sallyinzaghi]

And if you're oh so concerned for this respect of Muslim traditions and "fairness," why don't any of these Muslims speak out against all the other jokes made about any other religion?

That, RIGHT THERE, is the essence of hypocrisy, and thus why I can blast the Muslims all I want regarding this issue.

I don't know about protesting publicly against that, but you do know that Islam is against any disrespect for its religion as well as others. So yes, your average mainstream muslim would naturally oppose these things and any form of disrespect or provocations against Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc. I don't think you know well Islam well enough to come to this conclusion Andy.

 

[Snoop]

I never said it makes them bad people.

That wasn't directed at you.

You can't generalize that too, Snoop

I, for example, won't host your friend ever.:evil:

All peoples from around the world have good and bad people in all the aspects.

I am not generalizing over one simple example. You heard Alen and Geof, and these things happen most of the time.

Yeah, i especially rate the Turks in this aspect.
I spend two months in Istanbul few years ago. Man, whenever i needed something and ask about the route or anything, these guys offered themselves to take me there by a car. They see you for the first time in their life and they're helping you
Everything was passing in my sick mind. I thought they'll ask money, or kidnap me or what not, but these guys were doing it for free.

And we're talking about a city with +10m inhabitants where you can lose more than an hour just to go from one part of the town to another.

Paris and the French on the other hand....

Turks too, I know. specially when I tell them I am an Armenian, they just want to make sure that I liked the country, and would try to do their best to make me comfortable.

Still, one should be careful, like Rebel said, everywhere in the world, there is good and the bad, and those things you thought happens actually, and a lot, kidnapping stealing etc..

I don't know about the French, but Italians fit in that category too, they don't do any of these, let alone answering your question if you are lost or something. And specially if you don't speak English, thou I am generalizing here, but heard the same stories too about them..

 

[swag]

I see nothing wrong with the Muslims who take grave offense when they feel that their sacred symbols have been violated. Where I draw the line is what they do about it.

It's one thing for someone to take offense. It's another to call for death threats.

The first is acceptable. The second is not under any circumstances.

 

[Snoop]

Couldn't be said any better!

 

[Fred]

I see nothing wrong with the Muslims who take grave offense when they feel that their sacred symbols have been violated. Where I draw the line is what they do about it.

It's one thing for someone to take offense. It's another to call for death threats.

The first is acceptable. The second is not under any circumstances.

Exactly, i couldnt agree more.