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[Seven]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


Of course not everything is perfect, however just take a look around you. Many perfect things that I find hard to believe were created from some big "boom".

Let's rethink this one, Andy.

The likeliness of everything being as it is, is approximately 1 out a billion billion, right?

Imagine our reality wouldn't have been this one, but one out of that billion billion. Would we praise that reality as much as we praise this one and say that some God made it, because it's so perfect? We probably would, because we only know that reality. So I'm afraid that's not really going to be an argument, Andy.

Other than that, I don't want to attack any of your beliefs. All I'm saying is that that hardly is a valid argument.

 

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[swag]

++ [ originally posted by Padovano ] ++
I am religiously intolerant. But that should not surprise you as I am an American. My country was founded by the most religiously intolerant bastards the world has ever seen, searching for "religious freedom" in the new world. HA!

Religious freedom. Like the freedom people enjoyed after being accused of witchcraft? :cheesy:

You also have to understand that the American foundation of religious freedom was heavily rooted in resentment of having to pay taxes to support the Church of England.

There was a book review in last Sunday's NY Times that was pretty good historical review on the subject of church vs. state in America, btw:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/24/books/review/24FOERL.html

That said, while I do heavily support freedom of religion and derive my own personal belief systems from a collective sampling of them, I am a devout secularist.

 

[swag]

++ [ originally posted by Seven ] ++


Let's rethink this one, Andy.

The likeliness of everything being as it is, is approximately 1 out a billion billion, right?

Imagine our reality wouldn't have been this one, but one out of that billion billion. Would we praise that reality as much as we praise this one and say that some God made it, because it's so perfect? We probably would, because we only know that reality. So I'm afraid that's not really going to be an argument, Andy.

Other than that, I don't want to attack any of your beliefs. All I'm saying is that that hardly is a valid argument.

The irony for me is that I see evidence for any cause for mysticism in the exact opposite of this approach. There are a number of scientific theories out now that indicate that the odds of complex life may not be a billion in a billion in a billion sort of thing...which is the foundation of a number of belief systems for the divine.

But rather, more interesting research and theories are indicating that the basic building blocks of life are floating out in the darkness of space like a form of some ubiquitous "soup." That the ingredients for developing complex molecules and amino acids to form life are practically omnipresent in the universe, and it's when other conditions of stability and the formation of certain elements are ripe on a planet: presto!

If anything, the notion that foundation for life is essentially everywhere in the universe -- like seeds in the wind, only needing the right spot to take root and grow -- is a more compelling argument to me for any sort of "intelligent design" than one that entirely relies on incredible Vegas odds as justification.

 

[Seven]

So? If such a thing as time doesn't exist, or when you have enough of it, those conditions are bound to be there sometime. If you've got all eternity, it WILL happen. That's hardly mystical.

 

[The Pado]

++ [ originally posted by swag ] ++


You also have to understand that the American foundation of religious freedom was heavily rooted in resentment of having to pay taxes to support the Church of England.

There was a book review in last Sunday's NY Times that was pretty good historical review on the subject of church vs. state in America, btw:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/24/books/review/24FOERL.html

That said, while I do heavily support freedom of religion and derive my own personal belief systems from a collective sampling of them, I am a devout secularist.

You sir, are obviously a witch, and I deny your right to practice witchcraft.

I believe you should be burned at the stake. If you perish, then I'll admit my error.

 

[swag]

++ [ originally posted by Padovano ] ++

You sir, are obviously a witch, and I deny your right to practice witchcraft.

I believe you should be burned at the stake. If you perish, then I'll admit my error.

I always prefered the dunking approach myself.

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Seven ] ++


Let's rethink this one, Andy.

The likeliness of everything being as it is, is approximately 1 out a billion billion, right?

Imagine our reality wouldn't have been this one, but one out of that billion billion. Would we praise that reality as much as we praise this one and say that some God made it, because it's so perfect? We probably would, because we only know that reality. So I'm afraid that's not really going to be an argument, Andy.

Well, your reasoning doesn't make much sense to me, just like my reasoning doesn't make sense to you. If you have ever read the Bible, books and books of different authors that all acount for topics on faith and Jesus Christ, the evidence is clearly there that points to the existence of a supreme being, which of course we have been over a thousand times already.

And I would like to see someone attempt an explanation for compassion and human loving nature in science specific terms.

Other than that, I don't want to attack any of your beliefs. All I'm saying is that that hardly is a valid argument.

Never said it was a valid argument because life is in the eye of the beholder. You can't can't expect people to change their views on life just because you disagree with them. If religion was truly a scam, I doubt 75% of the world's population would have bought into it..

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Seven ] ++
Another logic behind Iraq is this:

1) Americans invade Iraq (which was not justified)

Again, with the information they had, and the general public not being aware of the info they had, that's not a fair assessment just yet.

Because why oh why, would terrorists think about going to Iraq? They would hardly do America any harm by being there.

Obviously to help stop the infidels, the American troops who they think threaten the Muslim world. And by looking at what's going on there now, you can obviously see the terrorist trap has worked to some degree.

 

[Vinman]

++ [ originally posted by Seven ] ++
Another logic behind Iraq is this:

1) Americans invade Iraq (which was not justified)
2) People that could become terrorists in the future get pissed off.
3) Those people actually become terrorists , and rather than going to Iraq, they decide to strike in America's heart and slaughter innocent people.

Because why oh why, would terrorists think about going to Iraq? They would hardly do America any harm by being there. From a terrorism point of view, it would be far better for them to go to America.

1993 World Trade Center bombing 1

1998 US embassy bombings in Africa

2000 USS Cole attack

2001 World Trade Center bombing 2


END OF STORY !!!

 

[Zlatan]

Oklahoma bombing - Nov. 22, 1995

 

[Seven]

++ [ originally posted by Vinman ] ++



1993 World Trade Center bombing 1

1998 US embassy bombings in Africa

2000 USS Cole attack

2001 World Trade Center bombing 2


END OF STORY !!!

Really? Try to think things through next time.
All I said was that Iraq only created more breeding ground for terrorists. And that it obviously does.

 

[Seven]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++





Obviously to help stop the infidels, the American troops who they think threaten the Muslim world. And by looking at what's going on there now, you can obviously see the terrorist trap has worked to some degree.

That's what some would do I guess. But wouldn't most of them strike in America rather than in Iraq? They hardly harm America by going to Iraq, while striking in America itself gives them what they want to have: fear.

 

[Seven]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


Well, your reasoning doesn't make much sense to me, just like my reasoning doesn't make sense to you. If you have ever read the Bible, books and books of different authors that all acount for topics on faith and Jesus Christ, the evidence is clearly there that points to the existence of a supreme being, which of course we have been over a thousand times already.

And I would like to see someone attempt an explanation for compassion and human loving nature in science specific term.

Never said it was a valid argument because life is in the eye of the beholder. You can't can't expect people to change their views on life just because you disagree with them. If religion was truly a scam, I doubt 75% of the world's population would have bought into it..

There's no evidence, Andy. Don't talk about evidence. I have read parts of the Bible, but it failed to convince me.

Compassion and our loving nature (which isn't true, we're one of the most cruel species on the face of the earth) would have to do with our need to survive. It's not going to help us if we destroy each other. Purely a biological thing.

Religion isn't necessarily a scam, but it has been over a million times by now.

 

[Dr-Juve]

++ [ originally posted by Arttk ] ++
This is basically saying that "we will bomb your ass if you continue to bomb us".

Like iraq

 

[Dr-Juve]

++ [ originally posted by Chxta ] ++
They bomb Mecca, they start something that will never finish!

Dont worry, they cant even with there nuclear weapons
there is allah who is stronger and greater than anybody and anything

 

[Respaul]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
If you have ever read the Bible, books and books of different authors that all acount for topics on faith and Jesus Christ, the evidence is clearly there that points to the existence of a supreme being, which of course we have been over a thousand times already.

Mind showing some of that evidence andy ?




Out of interest... how many of you have actually read both books (qu'ran and bible)

Im jus interested as both books tell you to read the other but very few people seem to actually do it...

Many people have told me im mad to spend time reading the qu'ran when it is not my religion....

 

[JCK]

++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++


Mind showing some of that evidence andy ?




Out of interest... how many of you have actually read both books (qu'ran and bible)

Im jus interested as both books tell you to read the other but very few people seem to actually do it...

Many people have told me im mad to spend time reading the qu'ran when it is not my religion....

I have read The Bible of course and some parts of Qur'an not all of it.

 

[Dr-Juve]

++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++
Back to the book...

All you that are slagging this book off... Have any of you actually read it ??

Or you jus going by the synopsis and a few readers comments ??

Personally i dont think this book is exactly what most of you seem to think it is...

U r right
its much worse

 

[Slagathor]

I've read most of the bible and parts of the Qu'ran. What struck me were the similarities. Sometimes I felt it was one and the same book.

 

[K10]

So is God real? Really, would someones just answer this and be right so I won't be so confused.