The Wish List and General Discussion Thread (29 Viewers)

[Suns]

Speaking of not good enough defensively Suns, maybe we should take Krasic out as well since he offers us as much as Giovinco did.

I have nothing against wingers that can't play that well defensively. I would love to see Marin here but if we're criticizing and not playing Giovinco cuz he's not good defensively then the same thing should be applied to Marin.

 

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[Fake Melo]

When did I ever say that? When did the words I know our transfers inside out ever come out of my mouth?

Oh wait they didn't so be quiet.

Go on a guru-strike Nicko, they don't appreciate you

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[Bjerknes]

I have nothing against wingers that can't play that well defensively. I would love to see Marin here but if we're criticizing and not playing Giovinco cuz he's not good defensively then the same thing should be applied to Marin.

The same thing can be applied to all sorts of good wingers.

And that's the reason this fetish with defensive characteristics for attacking players is quite idiotic.

 

[The Curr]

To play 4-4-2, your wide players need to defend. Camo and Nedved were both quite good at that.

 

[Bjerknes]

So all the 4-4-2's you've ever seen had wingers who were great at defending?

What planet are you living on?

As long as they come back to help, they don't need to be spectacular, and you're not going to have great defensive workers out there all the time unless you deploy wingbacks. Now that's something we might get in Bastos, so everyone can have their fap material crap.

 

[Kasaki]

I swear if I hear one more thing about wingers and defending

 

[Bjerknes]

Too much of an obsession for Capello football.

 

[JuveJay]

To play 4-4-2, your wide players need to defend. Camo and Nedved were both quite good at that.

So all the 4-4-2's you've ever seen had wingers who were great at defending?

As long as they come back to help, they don't need to be spectacular, and you're not going to have great defensive workers out there all the time unless you deploy wingbacks. Now that's something we might get in Bastos, so everyone can have their fap material crap.

Key points here, it's not about being 'great' defenders, in a 4-4-2 it's about not being totally clueless at defending, as Giovinco is. I haven't seen enough of Marin to comment.

Giovinco doesn't suit the 4-4-2.

 

[The Curr]

So all the 4-4-2's you've ever seen had wingers who were great at defending?

What planet are you living on?

As long as they come back to help, they don't need to be spectacular, and you're not going to have great defensive workers out there all the time unless you deploy wingbacks. Now that's something we might get in Bastos, so everyone can have their fap material crap.

I'm not saying they need to be brilliant defenders, but they do need to track back and have some idea what to do when defending.

 

[Hust]

Yeah, our wingers need to just basically be a body in defense, just another obstacle for the other team to have to work around at least. As Andy said, they don't need to be Chiellini's in defense and Nedved's in attack but at least have some kind of positional sense and whereabouts when defending, whether zonal or man marking. It really isn't that hard when you are a winger as you aren't necessarily binded to the back for as a unit, rather stick to a man outwide and let the defenders and DM's worry about the rest.

It really isn't that hard to defend and I never understood the argument about Giovinco lacking in that area. All you bloody have to do is have some kind of positional sense and be able to slow down a play when necessary. It isn't freaking rocket science.

Too many here what the best of both worlds for a winger.

 

[Bjerknes]

Key points here, it's not about being 'great' defenders, in a 4-4-2 it's about not being totally clueless at defending, as Giovinco is. I haven't seen enough of Marin to comment.

Giovinco doesn't suit the 4-4-2.

No no, that's the conservative approach. That's the "Italian" approach. There isn't just one way of doing things.

Would you say Giovinco suites the 4-2-3-1?

 

[Hust]

No no, that's the conservative approach. That's the "Italian" approach. There isn't just one way of doing things.

Would you say Giovinco suites the 4-2-3-1?

I think he would, whether in the center or left in the 3 of that formation. Bring him here in a 4231 and let him play and I would be very fucking happy.

 

[The Curr]

No no, that's the conservative approach. That's the "Italian" approach. There isn't just one way of doing things.

Would you say Giovinco suites the 4-2-3-1?

4-2-3-1 for a Champions League club or for a mid table Serie A club?

 

[Bjerknes]

I'm not saying they need to be brilliant defenders, but they do need to track back and have some idea what to do when defending.

I've seen Giovinco track back. I've seen a lot of good attacking wingers track back and put in work defensively.

Whatever the case, I really don't know what to say. I've seen folks say no to Hazard because he isn't good enough defensively for the left flank, same with Dzsudzsak, same with Robben and Ribery. I mean, what gives?

The safer option isn't always the one that provides better coverage at the back. There's two sides to the coin. Many people forget that having a good attacking winger is a defensive tactic in itself since he can put his opposition back on their heels.

 

[Hust]

I've seen Giovinco track back. I've seen a lot of good attacking wingers track back and put in work defensively.

Whatever the case, I really don't know what to say. I've seen folks say no to Hazard because he isn't good enough defensively for the left flank, same with Dzsudzsak, same with Robben and Ribery. I mean, what gives?

The safer option isn't always the one that provides better coverage at the back. There's two sides to the coin. Many people forget that having a good attacking winger is a defensive tactic in itself since he can put his opposition back on their heels.

Fucking copy cat.



(pretty much what I said, minus the keeping on your heels comment which is true. Good defense is also a good offense....blah blah 2 sides to same coin thingy you said)

 

[chester]

Klose links on a Dutch website

 

[Hust]

We saw on Football Italia and ignored it. Thanks Chester for the reminder.

 

[Hust]

I think dzsudzsak would be a sick transfer. Bring Gio back and buy Neymar and our attack is perfect. Matri will look WC with those busy bees supporting him.

 

[chester]

We saw on Football Italia and ignored it. Thanks Chester for the reminder.

Missed that one, sorry

And yes, Dzsudzsak would be a good addition for the LW

 

[Bjerknes]

Yeah, our wingers need to just basically be a body in defense, just another obstacle for the other team to have to work around at least. As Andy said, they don't need to be Chiellini's in defense and Nedved's in attack but at least have some kind of positional sense and whereabouts when defending, whether zonal or man marking. It really isn't that hard when you are a winger as you aren't necessarily binded to the back for as a unit, rather stick to a man outwide and let the defenders and DM's worry about the rest.

It really isn't that hard to defend and I never understood the argument about Giovinco lacking in that area. All you bloody have to do is have some kind of positional sense and be able to slow down a play when necessary. It isn't freaking rocket science.

Too many here what the best of both worlds for a winger.

As long as they track back and support the defense, acting as a unit, I don't see what the problem is. If it's such a worry then some need to include wing-backs in their four-man midfield, because very few wingers are like Pavs.