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Joten

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Jun 1, 2010
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Is there a way we can get both Dzeko and Benzema?

Like Amauri + Cash for Dzeko and loan for Benz?
Or am I asking too much?


If we can't get Edin, let's go for Benz and two proven fullbacks.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
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I can't figure it out how will the loan deals count. If JuveJay's opinion is correct, we bought all these players and made it look like they are loans.

In that case in the summer of 2010 we bought players for 99m euro (Quagliarella 15m, Aquillani 16m, Pepe 10.1m, Rinaudo 5.6m, Motta 5m, Krasic 15, Martinez 12, Bonucci 15.5, Storari 4.5)

If the loaned players count for next summer then next summer we need to pay 43m eur which are the remaining money to buy out the loaned guys.
Does this mean that we already start the mercato with -43m eur?
 

Nicholas

MIRKO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jan 30, 2008
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Except Martinez,Bonucci and Krasic also Storari.

We owe 4 Million for Martinez. 5 Million for Krasic and nothing for Bonucci next summer.

Bonucci and Storari were payed for this summer.

So try -9 Million ;)
 

Lapa

FLY, EAGLES FLY
Sep 29, 2008
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I can't figure it out how will the loan deals count. If JuveJay's opinion is correct, we bought all these players and made it look like they are loans.

In that case in the summer of 2010 we bought players for 99m euro (Quagliarella 15m, Aquillani 16m, Pepe 10.1m, Rinaudo 5.6m, Motta 5m, Krasic 15, Martinez 12, Bonucci 15.5, Storari 4.5)

If the loaned players count for next summer then next summer we need to pay 43m eur which are the remaining money to buy out the loaned guys.
Does this mean that we already start the mercato with -43m eur?
We already bought Martinez, Storari, Krasic and Bonucci, right? I believe we'll keep hold on Guag, Aquilani, Pepe and probably Motta (yeah, that's how I see it).
 

Lapa

FLY, EAGLES FLY
Sep 29, 2008
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Guag if we can't afford anyone else, Aqui is he stays fit and Motta is he will perform. I believe we'll keep Pepe no mather what. Rinaudo will be off.
 

Nicholas

MIRKO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jan 30, 2008
38,737
Even if we decided to keep a few players Marotta set all the deals to be paid in installments.

Rinaudo wont stay for sure count him out.

Pepe = 2.6m
Krasic = 5m
Quag = 5m
Martinez = 4m
Motta = 2m
Aquilani = 16 m

We'd pay 34.6m Euro's if we decided to keep those.
 

Orgut

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Dec 31, 2002
19,326
Right. First you said Iaquinta > Benzema. When i laughed at that you said Iaquinta = Benzema. Then you say Iaquinta isn't good. Then you say Benzema is good.

Make up your mind already!

I never ever said Benzema is as good as Dzeko. I said i would take Benzema over Dzeko anyday. Reason being is that ive seen way more of Benzema than Dzeko. Ive watched him during his Lyon days when he just broke into the starting line up. Ive seen him go up against defenders like Vidic & seen him turn them inside out. I haven't seen enough of Dzeko to make a non biased assessment of the players.

Most of you are going all nuts for Dzeko because he's scoring like mad & the media put it in your face. I bet half of the Dzeko fanboys here haven't even seen him play.

You really wanna compare the Benzema scenario to Quaresma? Really?

Pazzini better than Benzema? :howler: This doesn't even require an answer because deep down inside you know its absolute rubbish.
I never seriously ment Iaq>Benz
and Iaq=Benz was just to make a poing for you to understand but since your understanding is so special...
Iaq was a decent sub untill this season which now is playing like crap
as for Benz I never said he is poor I said he is medicore and he is a bit better than medicore he is good but not great

My mind is set its your understanding that isnt

as for Pazzini better than Benz on current form yes put both on top form and Benz is better

And since I`m tired of explaining things to kids I`ll post this as my last message on this issue
 

Lapa

FLY, EAGLES FLY
Sep 29, 2008
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Even if we decided to keep a few players Marotta set all the deals to be paid in installments.

Rinaudo wont stay for sure count him out.

Pepe = 2.6m
Krasic = 5m
Quag = 5m
Martinez = 4m
Motta = 2m
Aquilani = 16 m

We'd pay 34.6m Euro's if we decided to keep those.
And that's how I see it. :agree:
 

Gabriel

Killed By Death
May 23, 2010
10,608
So how is ade a flop in City and Benz not when both are currently bench warmers.

When Ade played regularly he did score and assist. 14 goals and 3 assists in 26 games is not bad for a player that is the 2nd highest scorer of his team that is not to mention that he missed a lot of games (partially for being injured and partially for being banned for asshole attitude)..
He also went to play in the African cup of nations and was there during the togo shooting incident (he has not been the same since). We did see his full potential with Arsenal particularly in the 2007/2008 season. He is a trouble maker and I like how the opponents hate him.



Benzema does not enjoy Ade's determinism, he does not score as much goals nor assists and is also currently a bench warmer without being injured (like ade was). Both of his coaches are complaining about his lack of effort and his dismal form is obvious every time he is on the pitch. 8 goals in 24 appearances last year is disgraceful particularly when there is not a single match where his contribution stands out. That is not to mention that he plays for Madrid in the Spanish League, a team that is very attack minded in a league that cannot defend unlike playing for City (A struggling team) that is defensive minded in a league that can defend.


Clubs of both players over-payed to get them no doubt about that however City has multiple Strikers that compete with Ade while Madrid has only one.

Yes Adebayor has not been at his best but his performances are not bad at all.. not even close to being enough for the flop label. Benzema on the other hand is not even good at training.


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Which type of player would suit Serie A more? My opinion is Adebayor.

Inter fans would hate Adebayor and I believe he would score against the people that hate him most everytime. Kinda like Balotelli used to do to us.

Ok... I'll bite.


You're calling Benz flop while saying Adebayor is not, double standars much?

May i ask you, have you seen Adebayor play? I mean for entire matches during several periods of time? or just EPL highlights?

One season? Really? one season where he did good for Arsenal, when in Arsenal he needed atleast 5 clear chances to score one, i would credit that season more to how the entire team played more than him, his finishing is one of the poorest aspects of his game.

Go ahead, ask Fred if you don't believe me.

And you're using double standars again, Benzema scored 26 and 25 goals and assisted 7 and 4 times in the two seasons he spent at Lyon, how is that not scoring as much as Adebayor?

City a struggling team? :howler:, and mind you, there are several teams in the EPL who can't defend for shit.

This season Benzema haven't done bad imo, he's mostly played out of position out wide, so obviously he's not as effective as he could. What you're not getting is that of those 24 appearences he only started 14 for RM and the rest were cameos as a sub.

Multiple strikers who compete with Adebayor, really? :howler:, get a grip. Barring Tevez, he's facing competition from the oh so great Santa Cruz, the new Pelé Jo who strike fear into the souls of defenders everytime they're in the pitch.

Benzema may only compete with one striker for one position, but that other striker is a damn good striker who's been scoring 20+ goals for the last 2 seasons, i wouldn't bench him either.


How is he more suited for Seria A? is it because he's taller? because he's big? small/average sized striker have tormented serie A in the past already, and i'd much rather have Benzema in my team than Adebayor anyday.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
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No we've not bought any of those players.

They ALL have a OPTION to buy in their contracts.
I obviously know that. But previously we had a discussion with JuveJay and he thinks that there is a possibility that Juve actually bought these players but due to various reasons, we presented these purchases as loans+rights to buy.
JJ's logic was good in this case because for some of them we did pay lots of money for 1 year loans.

So hypothetically, in case what JuveJay suggested turns out to be true, it will mean that in the summer we bought players for 99m eur (which might be paid in installments over a 3-4 year period). Still, those players cost 99m eur.
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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It wouldn't make a difference, because the transfer would have been paid over a few years anyway.

And the value of a transfer is spread over the length of the contract for accounting purposes.

I think they are all loans, but I also think they are all players Juve have every intention of buying.
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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It wouldn't make a difference, because the transfer would have been paid over a few years anyway.

And the value of a transfer is spread over the length of the contract for accounting purposes.

I think they are all loans, but I also think they are all players Juve have every intention of buying.
I'm with you, but I'll give JJ some credit and I won't completely dismiss that theory of his :D

I guess that half of them will be bought. If I didn't miss anyone, this is what we have:
- Aquilani (16m eur to be paid)
- Pepe 2.6 paid (7.5m eur to be paid)
- Quagliarella 4.5 paid (10.5 to be paid)
- Traore ?
- Motta 1.25 paid (3.75 to be paid)
- Rinaudo 0.6 paid (5m to be paid)

If we, lets say, decide to keep Aqua, Pepe, Quag and Motta, we will still need to pay 37.75m eur. That's quite a big minus we're starting with.

CL or not, I think that next summer we can again expect 1 or 2 loan deals. If we already have 35-40m eur ready to be paid for the above mentioned 4 players and we splash some 30m eur on Dzeko or someone, that already takes us to 65-70m eur, which is sort of a limit that I don't expect us to pass.

Then lets say we sell a couple of players for 10-15m and we buy a fullback, we will still need 1-2 players and I expect those to be loans again. Most probably for the fullback position we will loan someone.
 
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