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Alessandro

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Sep 13, 2002
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do you also want Buffon, Camo, and Manninger to retire too?

did you want Del Piero to retire in the last 2 season as well when he was dragging the team to win match after match?

what about Nedved who was the best player in the world when he was 31?

Or Thuram, Canna, and Ferrara before Calciopoli

do you understand how ridiculous you sound?

Age doesn't matter as long as the player is performing.
and doesn't become injured all the time.
Don't forget about that.
And most of our are just it.
 

Dostoevsky

Tzu
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May 27, 2007
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We don't know if it will be one or two being played up front and what sort of forward would be most appropriate until the system and style of play is defined.
One or two strikers, we need one new anyhow. I don't think we're keeping both Trez and Iaq, one will leave. But however you look at it, we need somebody to bang in goals.
 

Salvo

J
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Dec 17, 2007
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im sure if we actually created some sort of play, we would see our strikers scoring more but in reality, what have we created lately to help our strikers out?
 
May 22, 2007
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I respect your views most of the time but NOT when there's some Italian player/coach talk. :D
Haha I don't want Pazzini, and at least I can accept that a lot of Italian players are crap, but not Gila/Pazzini. At least you like Cassano. And De Rossi?

With Pazzini, in a 4-2-3-1, I think his movement would work and he'd score. Not that he's my first option, I like the bigger player like Trezeguet. Let's just keep €25m and renew his contract :touched:

Edit: Or we could sell Amauri to fund for the shock pursuit of Villa :weee:
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,155
Pazzini for 20M Euros? No thank you. Might as well try to get Dzeko for 25M.

And folks, we are going to need another striker. There is NO sense in delaying the inevitable and pushing the issue to side. It makes more sense to start looking at our options now, potentially bringing someone in this summer, and have him work along with Trezeguet. Lets not wait until Trez or Del Piero retire to address this situation.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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How can there be any serious consideration given to who should be signed (except defenders) until it is known what formation is going to be used in the longer terms?
I don't necessarily buy that. A long term replacement for Trez should be able to handle a bunch of systems, and we shouldn't rely on just one system either.

do you also want Buffon, Camo, and Manninger to retire too?

did you want Del Piero to retire in the last 2 season as well when he was dragging the team to win match after match?

what about Nedved who was the best player in the world when he was 31?

Or Thuram, Canna, and Ferrara before Calciopoli

do you understand how ridiculous you sound?

Age doesn't matter as long as the player is performing.
But age does matter in the long run. If you build your team around a bunch of 32 year olds, you're going to run into problems in a couple years.

10ml and de ceglie and its a done deal.
That sounds better at least.
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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Pazzini for 20M Euros? No thank you. Might as well try to get Dzeko for 25M.

And folks, we are going to need another striker. There is NO sense in delaying the inevitable and pushing the issue to side. It makes more sense to start looking at our options now, potentially bringing someone in this summer, and have him work along with Trezeguet. Lets not wait until Trez or Del Piero retire to address this situation.
It's much more complicated Andy.
What you say is true, of course, but I fear our transfer budget might not allow us to get quality up-front, or if we do, we will sacrifice the rest of our team.

A lot will depend on our finishing position in serie A (CL or not), on our sales and on how much Melo's purchase in 2009 influenced our 2010 summer mercato.

We obviously need a new striker. It's even more obvious that we need more than 1 defender and depending on our tactics, a regista.

That is probably obvious to our board too, but while trying to get all those players, I fear we might witness something very similar to the previous mercatos.
Since we can't buy quality, expensive, for all these positions, I fear that our board will either splash the money for a striker and then go for free transfers or cheap solutions for the defense and midfield, or they'll buy new players for all these positions, who won't be of top quality but will be more like Almiron or Grosso.

I had a very good reason to start that thread where I suggested to start saying goodbye to our legends. Because if we don't, not only that they'll be taking most of our wages budget (while failing to perform as we want them to) but it might happen all of them to leave at once and let our directors wondering how to replace them in one summer.

To summarize, we're fucked. Not only that we'll need to find replacements for the weak links in our team, but in the next two summers we'll have to find replacements for our legends. Even with more capable directors, I doubt it's doable in the next summer or two. On the contrary, I fear that while trying to solve the problem they'll make it even worse by buying mediocre players due to the need of new players and lack of funds.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
53,998
Bah, I'm so stupid. I wrote all that and failed to mention my main point which is:
- Sacrifice the striking department in the summer. Do not buy a new striker and go with what we have. Instead, invest everything in new defense and do not buy mediocre midfielders or attackers just for the sake of buying.
- In 2011, with the defense and most of the midfield set, invest in a great attacker.

I know that next summer we will need more than just buying top defenders. But, as I already mentioned, my fear is that while trying to complete every position, we'll do it by buying unproven and dubious quality.
My suggestion is to invest in top quality instead and I'll start with the defense, while sacrificing the rest of the team.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,502
:frown:

I just wonder,why is Gio mentioned in every move we are about to make...
To get fans like you go all teary eyed and frustrated, meaning react. Thats the pupose of the media, make people react to their shit any way possible.

And they found a pretty easy way with Juve related news for the last 2 years, any player Juve are interested in or imagined to be interested in, they put in that Gio will be sacrificed to get a rise out of Juventini (their targeted audience). Simplistic BS that should been found out eons ago, but apparently not for all.

This does not mean it was on the table for even second in all of these so called "deals" in the last 2 years. Media inventions or at times wishful clubs, but nothing more.
 

Salvo

J
Moderator
Dec 17, 2007
62,842
Bah, I'm so stupid. I wrote all that and failed to mention my main point which is:
- Sacrifice the striking department in the summer. Do not buy a new striker and go with what we have. Instead, invest everything in new defense and do not buy mediocre midfielders or attackers just for the sake of buying.
- In 2011, with the defense and most of the midfield set, invest in a great attacker.

I know that next summer we will need more than just buying top defenders. But, as I already mentioned, my fear is that while trying to complete every position, we'll do it by buying unproven and dubious quality.
My suggestion is to invest in top quality instead and I'll start with the defense, while sacrificing the rest of the team.
:tup: :tup:
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,502
Bah, I'm so stupid. I wrote all that and failed to mention my main point which is:
- Sacrifice the striking department in the summer. Do not buy a new striker and go with what we have. Instead, invest everything in new defense and do not buy mediocre midfielders or attackers just for the sake of buying.
- In 2011, with the defense and most of the midfield set, invest in a great attacker.

I know that next summer we will need more than just buying top defenders. But, as I already mentioned, my fear is that while trying to complete every position, we'll do it by buying unproven and dubious quality.
My suggestion is to invest in top quality instead and I'll start with the defense, while sacrificing the rest of the team.
Its bleak, but I defenitely agree with prioritizing such as this.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,155
It's much more complicated Andy.
What you say is true, of course, but I fear our transfer budget might not allow us to get quality up-front, or if we do, we will sacrifice the rest of our team.

A lot will depend on our finishing position in serie A (CL or not), on our sales and on how much Melo's purchase in 2009 influenced our 2010 summer mercato.

We obviously need a new striker. It's even more obvious that we need more than 1 defender and depending on our tactics, a regista.

That is probably obvious to our board too, but while trying to get all those players, I fear we might witness something very similar to the previous mercatos.
Since we can't buy quality, expensive, for all these positions, I fear that our board will either splash the money for a striker and then go for free transfers or cheap solutions for the defense and midfield, or they'll buy new players for all these positions, who won't be of top quality but will be more like Almiron or Grosso.

I had a very good reason to start that thread where I suggested to start saying goodbye to our legends. Because if we don't, not only that they'll be taking most of our wages budget (while failing to perform as we want them to) but it might happen all of them to leave at once and let our directors wondering how to replace them in one summer.

To summarize, we're fucked. Not only that we'll need to find replacements for the weak links in our team, but in the next two summers we'll have to find replacements for our legends. Even with more capable directors, I doubt it's doable in the next summer or two. On the contrary, I fear that while trying to solve the problem they'll make it even worse by buying mediocre players due to the need of new players and lack of funds.
All good points, Alen. I can see that happening as well. Qualifying for the Champions League hasn't been more critical to us than right now considering how much we spent last summer, so it's scary seeing comments like that from folks like Hiddink's agent who claimed our board was indecisive with him. We can't keep going on like we are or else we're going to destroy ourselves for years.

What we might have to do is take the Arsenal approach if we have a serious lack of funding -- buying younger talent and having them take the field of play. I know many here abhor Wenger's policy on youngsters, but buying younger, unproven talents will save us capital even if there is risk of the player not living up to their potential. What folks need to remember though is that even 25M Euro, supposedly proven players don't live up to their name, so there is risk no matter the age.

If it would come down to it, I wouldn't mind adopting the Wenger approach.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,155
Bah, I'm so stupid. I wrote all that and failed to mention my main point which is:
- Sacrifice the striking department in the summer. Do not buy a new striker and go with what we have. Instead, invest everything in new defense and do not buy mediocre midfielders or attackers just for the sake of buying.
- In 2011, with the defense and most of the midfield set, invest in a great attacker.

I know that next summer we will need more than just buying top defenders. But, as I already mentioned, my fear is that while trying to complete every position, we'll do it by buying unproven and dubious quality.
My suggestion is to invest in top quality instead and I'll start with the defense, while sacrificing the rest of the team.
Defense is definitely first priority. It was right up there last year as well with an attacking midfielder, but it was pushed aside by signing freebies or cheapies not worth a shit. So indeed, pay for good younger defensive improvements, sign bosman players for matters further up the pitch. We can still get buy with Diego, Camo and Seba in midfield as long as we improve the defense.
 
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