The verdict - Calciopoli charges announced (25 Viewers)

[bianconero]

Its a joke man. Relax.

Maybe in a land so primative, where going to the chair is allowed, this is a joke; elsewhere this is not a joke.
You relax- whatever that is supposed to mean; and don't call me man.

 

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[Maher]

I ve been thinking a lot about this lately, a twelve point deduction is at the edge more than -15 is a disaster,
it will practically means that after 5 weeks of playing,
even if we do the perfect start and win 5 out of 5 matches we will still have 0 points. (if we draw or even lose some games we will waste abbout two months to get at 0points, we will for sure wont be able to recover much up untill x-mas)

This year for ex Atalanta (ranked first) had 24 wins 9 draws and 9 loses,
we are hoping ce can do better than but we souldnt consider it a piece of cake,
we wont have the same team we have now,
most players will leave after a possibly 3-4years return to CL scene (one or two years to B and one year to get to a qualification position for CL)
buying young amateur players in an unknown league, led by an amateur coach who knows nothing about the teams/players there isnt as much easy as ppl think,
lets say we wont be the miracle team of serie B but we will do better than the rest and repeat the Atalanta run this year and gather those 81 points

81 - 15 = 66 two teams had 66 points this year and were placed at positions 6 and 7 position number 6 allows barage games, but what happnes if next years the first 6 teams lose less?
we all know how desperate/motivated the oposition gets to beat juve,
the refs will be eager to proove they are no juve fans and they are "clean"
without according to Juve none 50-50% decision
our enemies will keep the fight and attempt to keep us to b' as long as possible
and we are prooven too weak to react off the field,
but the serie B teams decide this year at going on high and stop those classic serie B draws the situation will be out of reach...
the background dark forces will be still able to control our fate no matter what we will do on the field, our heroic fight could be in vain,
it is a serius possibility and its not by our hand to decide our fate,
we sould not take it as token that we will have a swift return to serie A.

however i belive that we will get a better deal on the appeal,
loosing the two titles and spending two years in serie B is really too much...

i see your point , it is very disappointing , so there is a big chance that we wont come back to serie A next year

 

[Paolo Sosa]

but we still have a chance, the seasin didn't even started yet.

i hope in Serie A

 

[K0STA]

The Prosecutors should take into account many factors before making cruel decision! If they will let Juve go to Serie C1- thi s would mean that Juve is DEAD!!! and will never come back! Now imagine what would happen! 18mln fans dissapointed, lots of money lost ! and many more...

They do not have proofs for anything... the players weren't involved... and I watched all Juve games and there was nothing coming from the referees to be mentioned .... IT WAS ALWAYS MILAN SCORING ON 90 +8min ....

F*CK IT!!!!!!!!!

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

18m fan no.
Juventus is a world team 150m fan!

and if they want -15,-30 points this will be no problem if we will stay SERIE A

 

[Bruceweyn]

Well, I think we believe in Juve which will be a great team forever. Even if we are demoted to serie B, it is just another start of a new and great legend.
Forza Juve!

 

[Wings]

There's no need crying for spilt milk. Wait for the verdict. Assess the situation, talk to the players, he who wants to stay with a substantial pay cut good else sell. Regroup and set out to recapture our glory.
Having saying that I hope we go to B and not C and try to add the cup to our trophy cabinet.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

hey we don't relegated ,not yet
if we accept relegation
they will send us z

 

[serfaraaz]

Saturday iS the day of verdict

 

[serfaraaz]

Berlusconi: «Processo non serio, ingiusta la B per tifosi e giocatori» (Gazzetta dello Sport)

«Paghino i veri responsabili».

Presidente, che cosa ne pensa della lettera di Della Valle alla Gazzetta in cui si dichiara contrario all'amnistia? «Sull'amnistia non mi pronuncio, anche perché tra l'altro non mi sembra applicabile. Il discorso da fare, caso mai, è un altro. Questo è un processo senza le indispensabili caratteristiche di certezza, che invece dovrebbe avere qualsiasi processo, per almeno tre motivi. Primo: non sono state ascoltate tutte le telefonate da parte dei giudici. Secondo: non sono stati ascoltati tutti i testimoni. Terzo: la realtà del campo ha evidenziato situazioni diverse da quelle che dovevano verificarsi. Mi sembrano tutte ragioni sufficienti per affermare che non c'è alcuna garanzia di arrivare a conclusioni fondate sui fatti, da parte dei giudici. E poi c'è un'altra considerazione importante da fare. In tutta questa storia non c'è mai l'odore dei soldi, per cui non si può neppure parlare di corruzione nel senso più stretto del termine».

Allora lei assolve tutti? «Non dico questo. Ma le eventuali sanzioni non devono colpire i giocatori, molti dei quali tra l'altro hanno appena dimostrato sul campo di essere i migliori del mondo, e non meritano di andare in B o in C. E poi non si devono penalizzare i tifosi che non hanno alcuna responsabilità».

Ma qualcuno dovrà pur pagare, o no? «È giusto che paghino i veri responsabili dei reati sportivi, i dirigenti e gli arbitri, ma dopo un giusto processo, serio nei tempi e nei modi, e non dopo un processo sommario, senza tener conto di tutte le cose che sono state dette e senza ascoltare con calma tutti i testimoni».

L'avvocato della Juventus ha chiesto che non venga revocato l'ultimo scudetto: lei è sempre pronto a pretendere che venga assegnato al Milan? «Io ricordo soltanto che il Milan è arrivato secondo in due campionati. Se chi è arrivato primo non viene riconosciuto vincitore, è giusto che sia premiato il secondo, altrimenti per noi al danno si aggiungerebbe la beffa».

Se per lei non devono pagare i giocatori e i tifosi, nessuna squadra deve essere retrocessa? «Io sono contrario alle retrocessioni di tutti e non parlo come presidente del Milan. Sono contrario perché, retrocedendo una squadra come la Juventus, si lederebbero anche gli interessi dei terzi. Quante squadre senza alcuna colpa, infatti, sarebbero costrette a rinunciare agli incassi di una partita contro la Juventus? E poi bisogna pensare anche al danno che si crea agli sponsor e alle aziende televisive che avevano già firmato contratti onerosi».

Quindi è contrario anche alle esclusioni delle squadre dalle Coppe europee? «Ovvio, per gli stessi motivi che ho elencato prima. E poi se permettete, e soltanto in questo caso parlo come presidente del Milan, perché si deve togliere dal palcoscenico europeo una squadra come la nostra che è sempre stata protagonista in questi anni, vincendo spesso e cercando sempre di onorare il bel gioco?».
berlusconi says that trial is useless and not punish clubs but the persons charge of sporting fraud

 

[serfaraaz]

link http://www.goal.com/it/articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=92918

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

can you translate?

 

[d.nico]

I don't believe him.

 

[serfaraaz]

the translation site is http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_txt

 

[Bozi]

I just dont expect us to survive TBH but I dont think we'd go down to Serie C1. I have'nt been taken this demotion thing very badly (maybe coz of the WC win) but it's now sinking in. Serie B means at least 2 years until CL action and thats a bit devastating but never the less, I'll follow these stripes through thick and thin. Its just sad coz this kinda feels like one of these cases where u slip, fall and maybe never get up....( Remember Leeds Utd, after their relegation, people thought theyd bounce right back but we aint seen em since)

FFS i am getting tired of all this "we will die, we wont ever come back" nonsense

1. juve is the most popularly supported club in italy, unless you think there are around 10 million glory hunters ready to turn their back the second they go down then we are still gonna be the most supported club.

2. juve is the most successful club in italy, even with those 2 scudetti stripped then still no-one comes close.

3.we have a strong heritage that people relate to and in times like this it binds clubs together

4. leeds utd?leeds utd? in all respect that is a better comparison to parma or fiorentina. look at it this way manure are a club of similar standing, they got relegated and due to teh size of teh club they came back, as did milan, you cannot compare a team that outspent itself only to win nothing and the most glorious club in europe

 

[Bozi]

well lets see how many juventino's will we have after the trial. because i know about 10 people on here from sweden and love ibrah, will they be around when he goes to inter. i dont want idiots like him to be around because it make us juventino's look like idiots are selfs for keeping him around.

there is a zlatan fanbot in the zlatan hread who already said he will support inter if zlatan goes there. unfortunately we will always have idiots like this but, on the plus side, its one less idiot on this forum handing out neg rep whenever someone says something bad about his favourite wank-piece.

we are better off without this sort of fan, lets keep the real fans together

 

[ZAF3000]

Yes, for me, you and the world it's a prove they fixed the match. Becuase Meani couldn't have fixed it if the players, Galliani and Berlusconi didn't know.
But the bad thing is that this won't pass in any court in the world.

Meani can easily say that it was just a conversation between good friends, and how he never said anything about this to the players and Galliani, and how the match ended 1:1 without being fixed. The prosecutors can't prove he said it to them because they don't have him on tape saying this to Galliani or Maldini.
Moggi can as well say that he never told anyone about the things he did, but it doesn't matter because he was the GD, and the GD is the highest representative of the club. The club will be punished for every illegal action the GD took !

This is where we're getting fucked up. It hurts and it's totally unfair Milan to get out clean after fixing a match...but we'll have to live with that !
They played unfair, but they played it very smart . We didn't !

I understand it, but look at the situation also from another prospective. Why are we getting punished for match fixing where we have not done it. There is nothing in the tapes (atleast the one published) where moggi is fixing matches. There are few things against fair play BUT not match fixing. We are being punished for worse than match fixing.
Milan when they fixed a match along side Lazio in the late 70s they were demoted to Serie B and I don't think they got any points deduction. The prosecutor wants to demote us to serie C with 15 points deduction (thats their case) + 2 scudetti removal.
You cannot punish Juve because Moggi went and had a fight with paparesta because that is personal and has nothing to do with Juve. You cannot punish Juve for teh GEA case. You can only punish Juve for:
1- Asking about future refs
2- Reqesting refs for friendly matches (which I seriously do not understand the point behind the punishment for this).
3- Requesting refs not anti-juve.. But there are no phone calls confirming that Moggi got what he wants. The converstations were mainly like this:
Moggi: "Juve got penaltize fromt he ref last night, he was terrible and made mistakes which caused us the game".
Official: "Yes there were mistakes but we will try to make sure that they are less in the future".
Moggi: "they were not mistakes he was biased. I don't want refs who are anti-juve to manage Juve games".

That is against fair play, but that is not match fixing. The conrovertial phone calls are 40 out of 100,000. For someone who is fixing matches I think you will need more than 40 phone calls.

 

[serfaraaz]

i think everybody is anti juve and they want to end dominance of juve

 

[Cronios]

and they did...

 

[d.nico]

I understand it, but look at the situation also from another prospective. Why are we getting punished for match fixing where we have not done it. There is nothing in the tapes (atleast the one published) where moggi is fixing matches. There are few things against fair play BUT not match fixing. We are being punished for worse than match fixing.
Milan when they fixed a match along side Lazio in the late 70s they were demoted to Serie B and I don't think they got any points deduction. The prosecutor wants to demote us to serie C with 15 points deduction (thats their case) + 2 scudetti removal.
You cannot punish Juve because Moggi went and had a fight with paparesta because that is personal and has nothing to do with Juve. You cannot punish Juve for teh GEA case. You can only punish Juve for:
1- Asking about future refs
2- Reqesting refs for friendly matches (which I seriously do not understand the point behind the punishment for this).
3- Requesting refs not anti-juve.. But there are no phone calls confirming that Moggi got what he wants. The converstations were mainly like this:
Moggi: "Juve got penaltize fromt he ref last night, he was terrible and made mistakes which caused us the game".
Official: "Yes there were mistakes but we will try to make sure that they are less in the future".
Moggi: "they were not mistakes he was biased. I don't want refs who are anti-juve to manage Juve games".

That is against fair play, but that is not match fixing. The conrovertial phone calls are 40 out of 100,000. For someone who is fixing matches I think you will need more than 40 phone calls.

conspiracy theory.
who get benefit from this? Milan and Inter.
Inter has Moratti, we know how his brain is. Milan has B, one of the most powerfull man in Italy.

He got Moggi. Did Moggi receive an offer from him? but then he refused, then this happened. SHIT!