The verdict - Calciopoli charges announced (29 Viewers)

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L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Not to absolve some of the worst offenders, but right now Serie A is wallowing waist-deep in pools of sh*t and there are teams pointing fingers at each other for who is wearing more sh*t than the other guy. It's ridiculous.

I just hope there are some fundamental changes to the order of Serie A business to best prevent these conflicts of interest and opportunties for abuses -- judgement to individual clubs aside.
 

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Romanisto

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May 30, 2004
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http://ansa.it/main/notizie/awnplus/english/news/2006-07-05_1059140.html

Heroics won't save suspects

Sports minister and Fed' chief reject amnesty proposal

Italy's sports minister and the emergency supremo of the Soccer Federation (FIGC) on Wednesday bluntly rejected calls for those implicated in a massive match-fixing scandal to be granted an amnesty if the Azzurri win the World Cup .

Four top clubs - champions Juventus, AC Milan, Lazio and Fiorentina - face relegation from Serie A if a special FIGC tribunal finds them guilty of misconduct .

The tribunal is also considering the cases of 26 club executives and Federation officials accused of being part of a network set up to steer matches in some clubs' favour .

These individuals, many of whom are also under criminal investigation, risk being banned from the sport for between one and five years .

"The Azzurri have realized soccer can be a dream, but off the field, sporting justice must run its course and punish those who have done wrong," emergency FIGC Chief Guido Rossi said .

"In Italian soccer, there is a side that wins, which is (coach Marcello) Lippi's national team, and an Italy that has to change" .

The amnesty proposal was made by MP Maurizio Paniz, a member of former premier Silvio Berlusconi's Forza Italia party and a supporter of Juventus. Berlusconi owns one of the sides facing relegation - Milan .

Now that the Azzurri have reached Sunday's World Cup final, the pressure for a reprieve from supporters of the clubs involved is likely to increase .

But Sports Minister Giovanna Melandri made it clear she intends to resist it .

"It is stupid to talk of an amnesty. Soccer needs major reform," she told Donna Moderna magazine. "The national team's matches are one thing, the sporting trials are another. Let's keep them separate" .

Melandri also dismissed Berlusconi's suggestion that Milan had been targeted as a way of getting at him for political reasons. "There is no political conspiracy in the soccer world," she said on a radio show Wednesday. "You defend yourself at trials, not from trials" .

Several Azzurri stars have spoken out against an amnesty too, including AC Milan midfielder Gennaro Gattuso .

On Tuesday FIGC prosecutor Stefano Palazzi called on the tribunal to send Juventus down to the third division and asked it to relegate AC Milan, Lazio and Fiorentina to Serie B .

Palazzi also asked for Juventus, which is in the hottest water because its former executives are believed to have been at the heart of the scam, to be stripped of its 2006 and 2005 titles and to start next season with a six-point penalty .

In return for favours on the pitch, Luciano Moggi and Antonio Giraudo - respectively Juve's former general manager and CEO - stand accused of wining and dining refs and referee-appointers and giving them half-price deals for cars made by Fiat, the Turin auto maker controlled by Juve's owner the Agnelli Group .

The FIGC prosecutor wants Lazio and Fiorentina to start Serie B with a 15-point penalty, while he thinks Milan should kick off the season at -3 .

On Wednesday the accused and their lawyers started their defences .

Among those to speak were former FIGC Chief Franco Carraro, Lazio Chairman Claudio Lotito and Fiorentina owner Diego Della Valle .

All three argued that they were victims of the so-called 'Moggi system', not part of it .

They claimed they had simply worked within the Federation structure to make sure Lazio and Fiorentina were given fair treatment. The FIGC is in a race against time to wrap up the sporting disciplinary process before UEFA holds the draws for next season's European club competitions at the end of the month. Many defendants have expressed concern that the haste will lead to "summary justice" .

Four separate criminal probes into the scandal are expected to reach the trial stage much later. State prosecutors are looking at different elements of the alleged web of corruption, which also extends to illegal betting, false accounting, doping and transfer fraud. The so-called Moggi-gate scandal is the biggest to hit the sport since a 1980 betting case in which Paolo Rossi - later Italy's 1982 World Cup hero - was among the players banned. Lazio and Milan were relegated to Serie B as a result of that scandal.
 

Espectro

The Grimreaper
Jul 12, 2002
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Supoustly Juve's lawyers have said that they feel that Serie B is the most "acceptable" punish for Juventus...


Legale Juve: "B pena congrua"
Quarta udienza del maxiprocesso. Della Valle e Lotito respingono le accuse, Carraro si difende. L'avvocato della Juventus Zaccone: "La pena accettabile sarebbe la serie B con punti di penalizzazione"

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giovanotti

ONE MAN ARMY
Aug 13, 2004
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Espectro said:
Supoustly Juve's lawyers have said that they feel that Serie B is the most "acceptable" punish for Juventus...


Legale Juve: "B pena congrua"
Quarta udienza del maxiprocesso. Della Valle e Lotito respingono le accuse, Carraro si difende. L'avvocato della Juventus Zaccone: "La pena accettabile sarebbe la serie B con punti di penalizzazione"

gazzetta.it
So,serie B is the best we can get.
 

Batigol

Senior Member
Mar 5, 2006
904
wow, i didn't know that there was calls for amensty, i am really good.

i wish there were more than just 4 clubs, like 6 or 7, probably juve would have a chance in staying.
 

Espectro

The Grimreaper
Jul 12, 2002
13,813
Juventus 'accept Serie B'
Wednesday 5 July, 2006


Juventus’ lawyer told the Calciopoli trial that the best punishment for the club would be Serie B rather than a drop down to the Third Division.

“Demotion to Serie B with docked points would be a congruous punishment,” Cesare Zaccone claimed in court this evening.

Yesterday prosecutor Stefano Palazzi requested the Bianconeri go down to “a Division lower than Serie B” with a six-point penalty for their part in the match-fixing allegations. He also asked for Lazio and Fiorentina to begin with a 15 point penalty in Serie B, where they’d be joined by Milan on minus three points.

Director general Luciano Moggi is at the centre of the scandal after his telephone conversations were wiretapped, allegedly attempting to influence the referees assigned to their matches.

“You can’t talk about direct responsibility for Juventus, as Moggi has never been a legal representative of the club,” added the lawyer today. “I also believe that Antonio Giraudo should only be considered indirectly responsible for any wrong-doing. The only issue here is the seriousness of the facts, which in my view should be largely re-evaluated.”

The Turin giants are attempting to distance themselves from Moggi, who has already resigned from his post, and rescue the situation as best they can.

“The sanction requested by the prosecutor would devalue the squad by 80 per cent. As the trial continues, 79 per cent of the club’s income is in danger. Juventus do not have a single benefactor behind the side willing to invest money.”

Much has been made in the run-up to the trial of the so-called ‘Moggi system’, but lawyer Zaccone attempted to spread the blame.

“There were at least five different systems going on in football. One was created in Genoa, another in Florence, then in Rome which included leading figures in the Federation and another system working in Milan. All of them were opposed and conflicting. This is all that’s needed to explain why the idea of a Mafia-like total system involving everyone is impossible.”

Lazio President Claudio Lotito and Fiorentina patron Diego Della Valle also spoke at the trial today. Both insisted they were “victims of the system” rather than orchestrators and that they had never requested favours from referees.

Former FIGC President Franco Carraro spoke out this morning. “The accusation of sporting fraud levelled at me is humiliating and vile. I acted in good faith and have never cheated anyone. If the facts are confirmed, then something very serious happened in the 2004-05 season.”

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Mark

The Informer
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Dec 19, 2003
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correction, media BS again...

Zaccone said in case they prove that Juve commited sporting fraud then Serie B and point deduction would be fair.

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